Hawk taking heat in Green Bay

[Gunakor]

Simply because you're supposed to get a great player there. We got a dud. I don't 'hate' Hawk. I just don't like that the Packers sucked enough to get a #5 and didn't get a special player out of it.

It's a fair argument that we didn't get what was advertised with that pick. But we didn't get a dud. Ryan Leaf is a dud. Tim Couch is a dud. Most of the WR's Millen drafted in Detroit were duds. Hawk hasn't lived up to expectations but was still a starting ILB on a top 5 defense that brought home the bacon. If he were drafted in the 3rd round everyone would be perfectly happy with that, would they not? At what point does Hawk's draft position many years ago become irrelevant to the game being played today?

[SkinBasket]

No shit, that MFer's still a bad SOB. BS that bitch brady goes to the SB instead of RayRay.

RayRay is a HoMo.

[woodbuck27]

I remember the defense playing better with Francois in the lineup. He got 2 interceptions in his limited time.

AJ Hawk came back against KC and we suddenly could not cover the intermediate routes.

Coincidence?

http://www.packers.com/team/roster/Robert-Francois/86d90ced-d871-4383-9e6b-d9d42a59c66d

[Smeefers]

I think when talking about Hawk's draft pick, it's important to look at the time he was drafted. It was TT's second year. Our talent pool was horrible and we didn't have another linebacker besides Barnett. We had a lot of guys who were just starting to come into their own and there was still a lot of mistakes being made, but Hawk came in like a 5 year vet and actually lead the team in tackles. This is the first year where he wasn't in the top 3 for tackles on our team. When he came out, nobody said he was going to be a game changer, they said he was a safe pick, a solid starter and I don't see any evidence to contrary. I still see him as a solid player, a work horse. This year, he was an average player, but I think this is the worst year he's had. If that's his bottom, well then I think he's worth what we pay him.

[Brandon494]

It's a fair argument that we didn't get what was advertised with that pick. But we didn't get a dud. Ryan Leaf is a dud. Tim Couch is a dud. Most of the WR's Millen drafted in Detroit were duds. Hawk hasn't lived up to expectations but was still a starting ILB on a top 5 defense that brought home the bacon. If he were drafted in the 3rd round everyone would be perfectly happy with that, would they not? At what point does Hawk's draft position many years ago become irrelevant to the game being played today?

Those guys were bust not duds and picking a QB and MLB with a top 5 pick is completely different. Drafting QBs is a complete crapshoot. As far as Hawk being #5 pick taken overall no one cares anymore, the days of hoping for him to be the next Urlacher are long gone. This guy is barely a starter anymore. He's not a playmaker, he makes no impactful plays, he sucks in coverage, and he's overpaid. Yet some want to give him a pass because he has a cool name or in skins case because hes white, has blonde hair, and blue eyes.

[pbmax]

This doesn't answer the question completely, but this horrible phone video does show Vernon crying before the 49ers picks, however, its right before the 49ers pick, which means he had already received the call. I think the relief over the Packers not taking him comment came later in an interview.

But we can't know when he started crying. Someone with better You Tube search skills than me will have to help.

[KYPack]

Hawk will most likely return to the Pack next season. It willprobably be his last go round here, but I’ve thought that before. Cutting AJ would yield a 6.4 million $ caphit. You will also have to pay a playerto replace him on the roster & in the line-up. The cap hit for retaining his services is 6 million. So it will save 400 grand to keep the boy around. At least we now have our own 6 million dollar man.

Does the performance issue outweigh the cost savings?

Many think it does.

[denverYooper]

Hawk will be fine after an offseason in the hyperbaric chamber.

[sharpe1027]

Those guys were bust not duds and picking a QB and MLB with a top 5 pick is completely different. Drafting QBs is a complete crapshoot. As far as Hawk being #5 pick taken overall no one cares anymore, the days of hoping for him to be the next Urlacher are long gone. This guy is barely a starter anymore. He's not a playmaker, he makes no impactful plays, he sucks in coverage, and he's overpaid. Yet some want to give him a pass because he has a cool name or in skins case because hes white, has blonde hair, and blue eyes.

Let's be honest here. People are saying that from day 1 he's been dependable, if only average, as a starter. That's not exactly giving him a pass.

My understanding is that he has a rather unglamorous roll in Caper's D, which explains at least some of his lack of playmaking. Again, I'm not saying he is an all-pro, but perhaps there is more to his play than big hits and INTs. Which 3-4 ILBers in the NFL can we compare Hawk too rather than just talking in the abstract?

[Tony Oday]

TT gave him another contract so I will go with the professionals that actually know what the fuck they are doin

[Brandon494]

TT gave him another contract so I will go with the professionals that actually know what the fuck they are doin

Yea because professionals never "fuck up".

[pbmax]

Yea because professionals never "fuck up".

The average is better on second contracts. But its not perfect (Robert Brooks, Antonio Freeman).

[Deputy Nutz]

I love how some of you can either completely over look reason because it goes against your argument, or you're too stupid to understand it.

[sharpe1027]

I love how some of you can either completely over look reason because it goes against your argument, or you're too stupid to understand it.

Thank you for your insightful contribution.

[mraynrand]

You gotta love a thread where people are debating about exactly when Vernon Davis started crying seven years ago. Once Patler brings his evidence to bear from the Zapruder video, you'll know we've passed the Rubicon of offseason boredom lowpoints. And we're not even out of January yet.