Hawk taking heat in Green Bay

[Brandon494]

News Flash not many players want to come play for Green Bay, especially young black players. Even Charles Woodson stated he hated the idea of playing in Green Bay but we were the only team offering the money he was looking for. Now he loves Green Bay just like every other player who played for the Packers. Oh yea and I'm pretty sure he was crying because he accomplished his dream of becoming a NFL player and not being he wasn't skipped over by the Packers.

As for need of players on the D-line that's a obvious issue but that still doesn't change the fact that Hawk sucks in coverage, misses tackles, gets pushed back for 3 yards when he does make tackles, and has no play making ability what so ever.

[Brandon494]

Were still on the hook for the accelerated signing bonus cap hit if we trade him.

Well damn TT fucked up on this one, should have let Hawk go and use the money to resign Jenkins or another pass rushing threat.

[pbmax]

Hawk and Peprah are not in the same physical class, Hawk is nowhere near as wanting. For the love of Brian Williams, Hawk can cover a TE better than Peprah.

He could be replaced by someone better and probably cheaper, sure, but that is not the move that will bring the biggest improvement to the D. There are two bigger problem areas, both in front and behind him.

More worrisome, if anything McGinn wrote can be taken at face value, is the attitude of the players on D. If the secondary continually sacrifice position for INTs and tackling for strips to their detriment, then the coaches needed to get them to focus on when to take those chances long before the first playoff game. And if it took the season ending team film review to convince Raji that he was continuously out of position in the run game, then those things should have been done much earlier.

Its obviously hindsight, but if there was a Super Bowl hangover, it was all over the defense. And neither of those problems is completely solved by Nick Collins return.

[SkinBasket]

Oh yea and I'm pretty sure he was crying because he accomplished his dream of becoming a NFL player and not being he wasn't skipped over by the Packers.

Except for the interview he gave where he went out of his way to thank god for not being picked by Green Bay. While he cried.


Swwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggg gggggg lowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaariot...

[SkinBasket]

As for need of players on the D-line that's a obvious issue but that still doesn't change the fact that Hawk sucks in coverage, misses tackles, gets pushed back for 3 yards when he does make tackles, and has no play making ability what so ever.

He plays just as well as any other of our LBs in coverage, tackles better than most on our defense, and gets pushed back because he's taking on linemen that walked past the DE and/or looked at Walden causing him to fall over.

Hawk never has been a "playmaker" as you Madden guys like to label players. He's a solid part of a functional defense and a reliable teammate. On a dysfunctional defense, his weakness can be exploited just like any other player. On a terrible defense, like GB's, he was often the first defender to make contact, which shouldn't be his role, because the guys in front of him were massive failures and a guy or two behind him couldn't cover a dead man with a sheet.

I've never cared much one way or the other about Hawk. But pinning the failure of the defense this season on him and pretending his play is solely a cause of that failure instead of a result of it, demonstrates a poor understanding of his role in this defense.

[Brandon494]

I'm not blaming him for our defense sucking ass this year at all I've just always thought he was overrated and not worth what he is making. He proved that greatly this season especially when 6th round rookies steps in and play better than you. As for him tackling better than most on the team is a joke. If not for him missing a wide open tackle first game of the season Tramon Williams doesn't get his shoulder injured which hurt his play all season. Not trying to put blame on Hawk but I can remember more plays this season of him fucking up then him making positive plays.

[denverYooper]

Its obviously hindsight, but if there was a Super Bowl hangover, it was all over the defense. And neither of those problems is completely solved by Nick Collins return.

Nods.

One positive I saw @ the end of the year was that Burnett seemed to be in better position more often. Hope something started clicking for him that will carry over.

[smuggler]

if i'm not mistaken, davis was also considered a huge bust up until last season (2010)

Not to troll, but yeah, you are mistaken. He wasn't always considered a top-10 tight end. And his 2nd season, he looked pretty darn "meh" but for the most part he's been productive in changing offenses over quite a few seasons playing with Alex Smith, or worse, at quarterback.

Right now, he's a top 5 TE, which is probably more than we can say for Finley.

[Pugger]

Nods.

One positive I saw @ the end of the year was that Burnett seemed to be in better position more often. Hope something started clicking for him that will carry over.

Yes, Burnett's play improved and he could tackle much better without that cast. Having a normal offseason is going to help him and our other young players this year.

[Pugger]

Not to troll, but yeah, you are mistaken. He wasn't always considered a top-10 tight end. And his 2nd season, he looked pretty darn "meh" but for the most part he's been productive in changing offenses over quite a few seasons playing with Alex Smith, or worse, at quarterback.

Right now, he's a top 5 TE, which is probably more than we can say for Finley.

Yes, if you think about it, SF doesn't have many other options besides Crabtree and their QB isn't all that hot either.

I'm hoping Finley's play will improve after he is signed. I truly think he was pressing this season knowing this was a contract year. Some guys become motivated and play better than than normal in contract years and others try too hard and their play suffers.

[Tarlam!]

The only player in that draft turned out to be Super Mario.

[pbmax]

Also remember, that Davis was being coached by Singletary, whose coaching method involves completely forgetting the object of the game in order to stress team first attitude and togetherness. The results speak for themselves.

In a way, he is the anti-Herm Edwards.

[pbmax]

The only player in that draft turned out to be Super Mario.

Who has been hurt quite a lot. Some years, the all the picks in the 7th round strategy might be the soundest of all.

[Joemailman]

Not to troll, but yeah, you are mistaken. He wasn't always considered a top-10 tight end. And his 2nd season, he looked pretty darn "meh" but for the most part he's been productive in changing offenses over quite a few seasons playing with Alex Smith, or worse, at quarterback.

Right now, he's a top 5 TE, which is probably more than we can say for Finley.

Davis caught fire in the playoffs, but he and Finley had very similar numbers in the regular season. Both are top 5 in ability, but not quite in production. I'd take Finley, who is 3 years younger than Davis and has a better attitude IMO.

[Brandon494]

Finley also has Rodgers throwing to him and plays on a pass first team.