Hawk taking heat in Green Bay

[sharpe1027]

Do you care if he helps the team or is it more important how "rated" he is?

[ThunderDan]

I'm ignorant for asking a question? BTW we had two Lees on the team last year but I guess im just magically suppose to know which one your talking about right? And he calls me the ignorant one.

For the biggest Finley fan we have on this board you sure are unaware.

Donald Lee was the player that blew JF knee out last year (by your logic). You blame Hawk for Tramon but not a peep about Donald Lee last year.

[pbmax]

Instead he found himself dropping deeper into coverages to compensate for Peprah's awfulness,

Was he doing Peprah's job or Hawk's? Because when there were linebackers who could cover (Chillar, Barnett) they drew that responsibility, not Collins/Burnett/Peprah.


However, everyone is missing the larger point and letting Bob McGinn (and the headline writer and photo editor) win. He's the dope who predicted dynasty. He also cannot alienate the offense (QB, HC, best WR and most respected player-DD) despite the offense falling on its face toward the end of the season. So he's now taking on Hawk and everyone is taking the bait of a high draft pick who might be overvalued. Its like catnip to football fans without their football team.

Yes, the defense has more problems than the offense, but Hawk isn't in the top five priorities to solve this offseason. Derek Sherrod's leg is more important.

Everyone should email Robert and tell him to stop agonizing over a middle of the road player with a big contract (Poppinga? KGB? Barnett?), unbunch his under garments and figure out whether the secondary needs to be stripped and refurbished or all of their coaches sent to Miami/Oakland/Tampa Bay. Or if Thompson possesses the wherewithal to actually draft a front 7 player who succeeds outside of Matthews, Raji and Jolly in seven years of drafts.

Because if the latter case is true, we all owe a big apology to wist.

[Brandon494]

Do you care if he helps the team or is it more important how "rated" he is?

Exactly how much is he helping our team is the real question.

[Joemailman]

James Stewart of Carolina was hurdling Hawk who was on the ground when he came down on top of Nick Collins' head. A.J. Hawk may have ended Collins' career.

[Brandon494]

For the biggest Finley fan we have on this board you sure are unaware.

Donald Lee was the player that blew JF knee out last year (by your logic). You blame Hawk for Tramon but not a peep about Donald Lee last year.

Ha might want to go back and check because not only was I at the game but I bashed Lee hard for that play.

[pbmax]

Weren't there some scouts out there quoted this year as saying that Finley is the second most feared TE when game planning against him? I think it was one of McGinn's scouts, but the guy said that even if he doesn't have the production, he still demands the coverage and gameplanning because he's that talented.

Well, not to go too far bashing Bob today, but one of his scout sources was just fired by Irsay in Indianapolis for failing as a GM. So, even Bob's scouts get it wrong occasionally.

Much of the NFL is not simply picking winners in the draft, but players that work in a system that the coach can reach and can work with their teammates.

Finley may be the second most feared TE for DCs, but he is dead last among receivers in having a rapport with his QB on the team. Neither seemed on the same page this year. It has happened to other WRs and Rodgers before (Jennings comes to mind at the beginning of last year) but none of the other dry spells have lasted as long as Finley's has.

[Brandon494]

I'm not blaming Hawk for our defense playing like shit but that still doesn't change the fact that he sucks and should not have been resigned to the deal he got.

[Pugger]

They may not have connected on the gridiron often enough but everything I've ever read seems to point to AR and Finley getting along just fine.

[smuggler]

Is team is better with him than without him? I think so. Keep him until that changes.

This is true, but the problem is the guy has a great sense of pride and I'm not sure he can be trusted to be healthy for the team as a backup. The play of Francois and DJ Smith was about equal with Hawk, worse against the run, but better against the pass. However, those guys are young and have upside. They should be seeing more snaps next season and Hawk should be seeing less.

[George Cumby]

Was he doing Peprah's job or Hawk's? Because when there were linebackers who could cover (Chillar, Barnett) they drew that responsibility, not Collins/Burnett/Peprah.


However, everyone is missing the larger point and letting Bob McGinn (and the headline writer and photo editor) win. He's the dope who predicted dynasty. He also cannot alienate the offense (QB, HC, best WR and most respected player-DD) despite the offense falling on its face toward the end of the season. So he's now taking on Hawk and everyone is taking the bait of a high draft pick who might be overvalued. Its like catnip to football fans without their football team.

Yes, the defense has more problems than the offense, but Hawk isn't in the top five priorities to solve this offseason. Derek Sherrod's leg is more important.

Everyone should email Robert and tell him to stop agonizing over a middle of the road player with a big contract (Poppinga? KGB? Barnett?), unbunch his under garments and figure out whether the secondary needs to be stripped and refurbished or all of their coaches sent to Miami/Oakland/Tampa Bay. Or if Thompson possesses the wherewithal to actually draft a front 7 player who succeeds outside of Matthews, Raji and Jolly in seven years of drafts.

Because if the latter case is true, we all owe a big apology to wist.

end of thread

[mraynrand]

The Packers don't get less points on the scoreboard if one of their starters is a 5th overall pick and they don't get more points if one of their starters is a 6th rounder or even a street-free agent. You can try to blame Hawk for things out of his control, but where he got drafted is not his fault. I don't care if someone classifies him as a JAG. Is team is better with him than without him? I think so. Keep him until that changes.

I think he might still provide quality depth behind Francois or Smith next year

[mraynrand]

. He's the dope who predicted dynasty.

Why not? 15-1, an offense that was rolling. Take away the stupid drops and fumbles, and they're likely still playing. Whose to say they won't come back and win it all next year? Plus, McGinn doesn't get paid to write weasely boring articles: "Packers will play extremely well next year, but fall short" That's compelling! It was a reasonable prediction.

[SkinBasket]

So I guess Vernan Davis was crying after his game winning catch against the Saints because he didn't have to do it in a Packers uniform huh?

I doubt it. But then again, no one's talking about that. Are you trying to demonstrate that because every time he cries, it's not about going to Green Bay, therefore he couldn't have been crying about that years ago when he was drafted? Are you retarded?

Look it's clear that Davis was not a fan of playing in Green Bay just like most players who grew up in bigger cities and a lot of players currently on our team. Vernon Davis just caught a game winning TD pass against the Saints and then had two yesterday in a game the 49ers should have won and you really want to debate Hawk was the right choice?

You're the one dealing in fantasy and what-ifs. I stated that I don't believe that drafting him would have improved this team any more than drafting Hawk did. Mostly because he's a cry-baby pussy, partly because he hasn't been nearly as dominant as you seem to believe, and despite your fact-ignoring, stat-denying memory driven evaluations, Hawk has contributed to this team, and it's success, over the past several years. you can wish and speculate all you want. A butterfly flaps it's wings and Vernon Davis farts.

[SkinBasket]

James Stewart of Carolina was hurdling Hawk who was on the ground when he came down on top of Nick Collins' head. A.J. Hawk may have ended Collins' career.

May have my ass! Let's not forget that if Clay Mathews had forced a turnover every play, then that play wouldn't have happened. And he sucked this season. Fire him.