Nick Collins to Be Released by the Packers

[Patler]

Interesting. I wonder why he was in favor of it if it gave him less flexibility this year.

MM & TT have long wanted more bodies in training camp. TT has said camp wears out kickers, but you can afford a roster spot for more kickers unless it is for a legitimate tryout. Without a couple kickers/punters MM has said ST practices are difficult. MM complains that injuries ruin practice if concentrated at one position, and he has sometimes cancelled parts of practices because of it.

[sharpe1027]

This is defined as "Injury Protection" under the new CBA, and will be included in "Team Salary" beginning in 2016. Apparently it is not now. If he passes another team's physical and signs with them, he does not receive "Injury Protection" payments from GB. He gets the second year only because his contract extended into the second year.

Damn you Palter and you're fast typing skills. My post has been rendered redundant. Does this count as being Paterlized?

[pbmax]

MM & TT have long wanted more bodies in training camp. TT has said camp wears out kickers, but you can afford a roster spot for more kickers unless it is for a legitimate tryout. Without a couple kickers/punters MM has said ST practices are difficult. MM complains that injuries ruin practice if concentrated at one position, and he has sometimes cancelled parts of practices because of it.

So tight now but more bodies in camp. Puts even more of a premium on making good decisions in March. Put that way, I can see them happy to trade off a bit flexibility in a time frame they can plan for versus camp, when they can predict nothing in terms of availability once it starts.

[sharpe1027]

Well, if you draft only 7 players, you might pick up 3 spots assuming other counts are equal. But with 12 picks, Thompson was pretty sure to get squeezed.

That's true this year. However, they are probably fine with that since they can now get their drafted rookies signed and in camp quickly rather than play number games by delaying their signings.

[Scott Campbell]

MM & TT have long wanted more bodies in training camp. TT has said camp wears out kickers, but you can afford a roster spot for more kickers unless it is for a legitimate tryout. Without a couple kickers/punters MM has said ST practices are difficult. MM complains that injuries ruin practice if concentrated at one position, and he has sometimes cancelled parts of practices because of it.

I wonder if any of those extra spots will go to kickers.

[Scott Campbell]

Damn you Palter and you're fast typing skills. My post has been rendered redundant. Does this count as being Paterlized?

You're not nearly loose enough with facts to get Patlerized.

[woodbuck27]

I was in a New York airport when I saw, in a newspaper, the selection in (I think) the second round of some guy, some safety, I'd never really heard of. I was so, so bummed by that draft pick. Some unknown named Nick Collins. When I got back to Detroit and read a little bit about him online, I was further bummed: athletic, but a slow learner, not sure he can adapt to the NFL, and so on.

Shows you how much I know. He became a superb safety after taking a couple years, like Darren Sharper, to develop. He was super athletic, and once he developed and understood, he was all pro. I think his loss this year was big - he could've helped cover up some of the pass rush deficiencies just with his ability to cover so much ground. There may have been fewer big plays (playoff game, anyone?) had he been back there.

As a fan, I have such mixed feelings. I'm a little irked on the one hand. I love my Packers, and if Nick Collins signs on with someone else - especially an NFC opponent - and stays healthy and plays well, I will be a little angry. However, this is tempered by my pride that the Packer organization really does care about its players as people - at least when it comes to the big things, like one's long-term health.

We all know how much pressure there is on these guys to win - from Murphy to Thompson to McCarthy to the assistant to the assistant special teams coach, the pressure to win presses down on them constantly. Knowing that, I understand how tempting it would have been to let Collins come back, make sure everyone knew you'd advised him not to but understood his desire to play, then cross your fingers and hope nothing awful happened, and even if he got hurt, it wouldn't look too serious - that any really serious effects would occur down the road, after Collins was gone.

But the Packers seem to really have been concerned about Collins as a human being. They just don't want the guy to take the chance, and they don't want to be the ones to allow it to happen. If anyone suggests they might've wanted to save salary cap money, I'll laugh. Four million for a year for a pro bowl safety? Very affordable. Very.

I can only conclude that the Packers just didn't feel it was safe, so they did the honorable thing.

What a blow to the organization. And at a position at which there appear to be few legitimate starting safeties in the draft. I've only seen three mentioned at all.

I do wonder what Collins will do, and which NFL team will take the chance and sign him. I'm guessing, if Collins decides to play, that someone will. My candidates (based on my perception of the organization's shady factor) are the Jets, the Lions, or the Seahawks (because of Carroll, not Schneider).

Nice Fritz.

[Joemailman]

Then clean up your stinking attitude. That doesn't play here.

Ever think of heeding your own advice?

[Fritz]

Getting Nick's agent to play along with such a ruse seems like a longshot.

I wasn't clear. What I meant was, maybe the Packers didn't want to draft a safety in the first three rounds and let that be the indirect way of telling Collins that they were going to release him. Maybe they figured what the hell, let's let him know now so he doesn't think we're giving him a hint when we draft Smith in the second round. Let's man up and just tell him.

Or maybe they wanted to give Collins a chance to hook up with a team before the draft. But that seems like a long shot - no one's going to sign Collins until he's been physicalled every which way by a team's medical staff.

[ThunderDan]

That needs to go both ways pbmax. That just for a start Sir. How can you place an abusive stalking poster like Scott Campbell on IGNORE when he continually stalks me? How is that certain claim handled by you pbmax..to protect me?

You'll sit there and watch and watch the likes of Scott Campbell do his abuse...the most outrageous garbage posts on and on and on and that's just great. You suspend him and he come back angrier and more beligerant and more viscious then ever and you glorify him.

How can you live with that pbmax?

Placing the likes of Scott Campbell ON ignore ISN'T THE SOLUTION. That hardly gets it done.

You need to institute a Scott Campbell RULE. That Scott Campbell has to stop his outrageous abuse or ban him for life from Packerrats.

Is that such a novel idea? it's my most sincere and honest assessment of Scott Campbell over six difficult years that he should be banned from Packerrats. How often has he been suspended pbmax? Many times...right!

So has that been any deterrant against his abuse? Of course NOT man.

Do the sensable thing and ban him from Packerrats.

If I stand in for myself or fight for respect I'm a really bad member here. BULLSHIT !

I can exercise the IGNORE Function but will SC go away? Not a fricken' chance. He's over the top abusive,oppressive,obsessive and mailiscious. He never lets go because he's SICK.

Scott Campbell has FREE rein. His behaviour is applauded ..as something amusing.

That's a good example of what..............SUCKS !

You have rules for me. A poster that has every right to fight for my dignity and respect.

You have NO RULES for Scott Campbell.

Posters here that imagine they can act just like Scott Campbell 'get in their feeding frenzy'.Thats never going to knock me down. That doesn't make it less challenging. When I'm challenged sometimes I'll have to accept that. That's my human nature.

Why should I be expected to IGNORE such abuse pbmax? That IGNORE feature isn't 'idiot proof' nor is it

Cut the head off the snake. Ban Scott Campbell from Packerrats...

PLEASE pbmax do the exact right thing for this forum.

No apology from him is ever sincere. he's clearly a sick man. Ban him please.

Place the ultimate sanction against Scott Campbell..BAN Scott Campbell.

It's just this pbmax.

Do you ever imagine I enjoy having to continually post for the respect I'm denied by the likes of Scott campbell? If you do your mistaken.

How many times have you read his posts of utter abuse of me. Outrageous abuse.You let that go even when I have him 'on Ignore' and at 'no time' question yourself? What about that is right pbmax? Maybe you not aware of how the ignore feature has this problem?

Mad asked Scott Campbell and I to place one another on IGNORE. He dod so what months ago.

I respected Mad's request as a 'NO BRAINER'while Scott Campbell ignored Mad and just kept on truckin' his abuse he never missed a tick. How did that work?

I'll do my part for Packerrats and put Scott Campbell on IGNORE again. It will be done in less than a minute.

What do you need to do pbmax?Maybe simly 'think'.

PBMax was talking about putting you on IGNORE not Scott.

This post takes the cake. You do know Madtownpacker runs the show not PB?

[sheepshead]

The timing is not odd. The new 90 man roster limit applies to drafted rookies immediately, not when they are signed. It also includes anyone on any roster category such as tendered but unsigned players, reserve categories, etc. If TT wants to draft 12 players and then sign a bunch of U.R.F.A.s, he has to have roster spots for everyone immediately.

In the past you could carry some players you intended to release, because drafted players did not count until signed, and some reserve/injured categories also did not count. Carrying deadwood right now might cause you to be unable to sign a player you like after the draft.

I was thinking from a strategic standpoint. Now it'll be clear those are positions he'll be looking at. Just seems like he tipped a hand he didnt need to.

[Guiness]

That's true this year. However, they are probably fine with that since they can now get their drafted rookies signed and in camp quickly rather than play number games by delaying their signings.

+1 to that. It's ridiculous how so many of the rookies don't get signed until the weeks leading up to camp. If they're going to count against the roster anyways, I think you'll see more action on that front earlier...especially with later round picks where the amounts are pretty set, just a bit of quibbling over signing bonuses, and even then the amounts are usually 5 figures.

[Scott Campbell]

I wasn't clear. What I meant was, maybe the Packers didn't want to draft a safety in the first three rounds and let that be the indirect way of telling Collins that they were going to release him. Maybe they figured what the hell, let's let him know now so he doesn't think we're giving him a hint when we draft Smith in the second round. Let's man up and just tell him.

Or maybe they wanted to give Collins a chance to hook up with a team before the draft. But that seems like a long shot - no one's going to sign Collins until he's been physicalled every which way by a team's medical staff.

Or they just truthfully answered a direct question from Nick and his agent.

Who knows.

[Scott Campbell]

PBMax was talking about putting you on IGNORE not Scott.

This post takes the cake. You do know Madtownpacker runs the show not PB?

Holy crap.

[Fritz]

Probably Patler is right - the team needs the roster spot for all these rookies.