a James Jones vs Greg Jennings discussion

[VegasPackFan]

I think you have a QB that can make any WR good if not great. Cobb is younger and cheaper. Lock up the Defensive players and keep drafting smart.

[Smidgeon]

Agreen, Redd. 25 yr old Cobb >> 30 year old Jennings. And cheaper. JJ and Nelson very reasonable prices. . . .

Mark Murphy said they have a lot of big contracts coming up and not enough money for all of them. Said we're going to have to let some of them go. Some of the big contract guys. Not garbage guys. We're going to lose playmaker(s.) Which ones?

Whether it's Jennings or Raji. . . . Finley or Cobb. . . . . Down the line. We're going to lose some of our great players. It's just a fact.


TT is going to have to keep drafting. We can't keep everyone. We need new great players (like Cobb, Bulaga, House, Hayward. . . .) All guys who show early signs of being excellent players. There are many others in the last couple years who can still pan out to be great. AR wasn't great on day 1. Sitton wasn't. Raji either. TT just has to keep getting players and the coaches have to keep developing them the way they have.

Just to bite on the tangent:

I think Cobb and Jennings are tough to compare. Jennings runs silky smooth routes and is one of the best deep ball receivers in the NFL. Cobb works the middle and can make anyone miss. In my opinion, they and Jones or Nelson form a good three way complementary system. Jones/Nelson and Jennings outside, Cobb inside.

Granted, the money won't work out that way, but that's how I see it.

And no. I'm not saying Jones is better than Nelson. Just that they're similarly typed receivers.

[woodbuck27]

how long until we have to pay cobb more money?

ok, i looked it up. he signed a 4 year deal. so probably after next season they're gonna be talking about a new contract and the way he's playing, he's also going to be looking for the same type of money that jennings is gonna get

so keep in mind, IF jennings walks, cobb might also be walking in 2 years. so cobb might not be a long term solution either

so the thought of "well we can let jennings go because we still have jordy, jones and cobb" is only gonna maybe go away soon.

TT has some tough decisions to make

All TT has to ensure is that his drafting team is as good as it needs to be. In this age of FA good players will leave Green Bay. TT simply needs a constant influx of talented young players and a great coaching staff.

[Cheesehead Craig]

If the Packers let both Finley and Hawk go, that frees up a bunch of money for Jennings now and Cobb down the road.

[red]

All TT has to ensure is that his drafting team is as good as it needs to be. In this age of FA good players will leave Green Bay. TT simply needs a constant influx of talented young players and a great coaching staff.

yeah but when you do hit on a bigtime player in the draft you have to try and keep them

the whole point of the draft is to find good players

i'd rather not get to the point where we're letting a mathews go because he costs too much and because we can just draft another OLB. we've all seen that that is easier said then done

[NewsBruin]

It's not worth its own thread, so I wanted to post it in here, clipped into my "I must have taken Crazy Pills" file:

James Jones is this year's breakout star. Aaron Rodgers is as good as ever, and as long as he's in Green Bay, he'll be Chicago's kryptonite. He just doesn't make the mistakes most quarterbacks make, and he knows he can get out of trouble with his feet when he has to. And it helps for him to have the most underrated (but not for long) wide receiver in football, James Jones. The hands and speed and route-running of Jones make it possible for Rodgers to feel confident about throwing a pass to a spot, knowing if it's supposed to be a 13-yard curl, Jones isn't going to cut it off at 11 or lengthen it to 15. When I watch Jones, I think of a guy who shuts out all the outside distractions and focuses on one thing -- catching the ball. You saw it on one of his three touchdown catches from Rodgers at Soldier Field, in the far left of the end zone, being screened by a Chicago corner ... and not looking at the hands or arms in front of him. Only the ball. Touchdown. Here's a stat of the day: Jones has a league-leading 12 touchdown receptions. Twelve -- that's the number of touchdowns Calvin Johnson, Wes Welker and Steve Smith have combined to catch.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl...#ixzz2FKzuBP8b

I think Jones is worth keeping, because he's currently cheap and worth his pay. I don't think keeping him affects the Jennings decision, just because Jones is cheap for now. I don't think Jones is proven consistent enough to be a dependable #1, but the light could turn on. Greg Jennings is a proven #1, and with our current corps, that is worth something. I think the next bona fide #1 on our roster is Cobb, but that would take away the majority of his multipurpose touches (aside: I hope MM's got some run/catch/throw options with Cobb under wraps that he's saving for the playoffs).

Unlike Finley, I think Jones is producing enough now to keep paying his contract and watch him develop (but I haven't watched a full Packer game in 2 seasons, so don't use me to back your opinions). And I think if we got rid of both Jones and Finley, who on offense would be our token bash-this-guy-for-being-selfish-whiney-and-unfocused-why-can't-he-just-be-grateful-to-be-on-the-roster Packer?

[pbmax]

Welcome back NB!

I often wonder if TDs give us a warped perspective of WRs because of play calling and the desire by an offense to go away from maximum coverage. The guy who might be most open for TDs is the guy the defense fears the least (Bubba Franks).

[NewsBruin]

Thanks, but I've been lurking. I'm serious when I post that most of y'all are closer to and smarter aboot the Pack and the NFL than I am. It's educational enough for me to lurk around here and get more about the Pack than I can find anywhere else in the South Alabama area.

[woodbuck27]

yeah but when you do hit on a bigtime player in the draft you have to try and keep them

the whole point of the draft is to find good players

i'd rather not get to the point where we're letting a mathews go because he costs too much and because we can just draft another OLB. we've all seen that that is easier said then done

It's just the way it is today Red. Hard to work at the same job in one place for too long.

That's especially the case when PRO athletes can demand so much; that always growing as their true value becomes evident among competing teams.

[woodbuck27]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl...#ixzz2FKzuBP8b

" Here's a stat of the day: Jones has a league-leading 12 touchdown receptions. Twelve -- that's the number of touchdowns Calvin Johnson, Wes Welker and Steve Smith have combined to catch. " Fr. LINK

That factoid may make James Jones very costly to retain. TT has more to be concerned about then 'just' whether or not to sign Greg Jennings.

We see how TT operates. He has a bottom line or deal to offer any of his players and if the shoe fits ...fine. That player remains a Green Bay PACKER.

GO PACK GO !

[Teamcheez1]

I thought Jones had two years left on his contract?

[Patler]

Welcome back NB!

I often wonder if TDs give us a warped perspective of WRs because of play calling and the desire by an offense to go away from maximum coverage. The guy who might be most open for TDs is the guy the defense fears the least (Bubba Franks).

Are you suggesting defensive coordinators didn't spend sleepless nights scheming to control Bubba???

[Pugger]

Keep em both if you can, but I think Jennings is the odd man out. I want to say Jennings is starting to get old, but he's only 29. He's got another 3 to 4 years left, but I don't think you break the bank on a guy at the end of his career. If he wants to get paid, he'll go somewhere else.

Regardless, I don't think you get rid of Jones. Dude is cheap and productive and he doesn't mind riding the pine. Well, he didn't, maybe that changes after this year, but I think he's earned a lot more looks in the future after the performance he's had this year.

No, DRIVER is the odd man out.

[pbmax]

Are you suggesting defensive coordinators didn't spend sleepless nights scheming to control Bubba???

I wouldn't be surprised if Dick Jauron still had nightmares about him, otherwise ..., no.

[Smeefers]

No, DRIVER is the odd man out.

Well, I don't think there's any question of Driver being released next year any more. I was solidly in the "keep him" group last year, and I've flopped like a pancake on that issue. Dude isn't effective anymore.