a James Jones vs Greg Jennings discussion

[Teamcheez1]

How many games did he miss last season? Isn't this the first year he's missed a significant number of games?

Regular Season
2010 Played 16 games
2011 Played 13 games
2012 Will be 8 games including the next 2

There are also games included above that he did not finish.

The trend line is down as he is on the other side of 30 now. TT will not tag Jennings unless he can trade him. That $10M+ can be used a lot of other places.

He will either make a reasonable offer or no offer and let him head to free agency. I would say Driver and Woodson won't be far behind.

[Fritz]

Anybody know what REASONABLE chance is there to do a tag-and-trade? With Flynn, lots were clamoring for that - it would have been nice and I hoped for it, too - but realistically it was way too big of a risk, and why would anyone do that if the guy was a FA anyway?

So what are the realistic chances that TT could tag Jennings and trade him? And what could reasonably be expected in return?

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Regular Season
2010 Played 16 games
2011 Played 13 games
2012 Will be 8 games including the next 2

There are also games included above that he did not finish.

The trend line is down as he is on the other side of 30 now. TT will not tag Jennings unless he can trade him. That $10M+ can be used a lot of other places.

He will either make a reasonable offer or no offer and let him head to free agency. I would say Driver and Woodson won't be far behind.

how is 29 on the wrong side of 30?

clay mathews played 16 of 16 in 2009
15 of 16 in 2010
15 of 16 in 2011
and his already missed 4 games this season. there are also games included above that he did not finish

by your simple logic mathews is on that same downward spiral, and at 26 he is also on the "wrong side of 30"

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Anybody know what REASONABLE chance is there to do a tag-and-trade? With Flynn, lots were clamoring for that - it would have been nice and I hoped for it, too - but realistically it was way too big of a risk, and why would anyone do that if the guy was a FA anyway?

So what are the realistic chances that TT could tag Jennings and trade him? And what could reasonably be expected in return?

with flynn the tag number would have been around 15 million. that's a lot of coin who if traded would be a so-so started (or a non starter). teams might not have wanted to trade for a cap number that high. and if no one wanted him, we would have been stuck with a backup QB making top 5 QB money

jennings is a top 5 WR in the NFL, like it or not. many teams would love to have him. his tag number would be around 10 million, maybe even a little less. thats less money then what he's gonna get per year in his next contract. tagging him is an absolute steal. you would have no problem trading him with a 10 million dollar cap number. and if nobody does want him? we get to keep our best wr for another year at below market value

plus the biggest deal IMO with a tag in trade vs. just letting him walk (other then the draft picks) is that you get to have some say over where he goes. if he's just a free agent there is nothing we can do to stop him from walking right over any of the boarders and going to a team where he will fuck us in the ass for years to come.

as for trade value. the dolphins got 2 third round picks for marshall last year (a guy with a ton of baggage)

[sharpe1027]

The main downside I see to tagging Jennings is that you loose some flexibility to sign other players to extensions during the franchise year. Paying him $10 Mill for next season will not be bad because he will certainly improve the team. It may, however, lead to one or more players hitting free agency in two years b/c they won't have the money to extend before then.

That being said, I'd love to keep him with the team as long as possible. He is a great WR and seems like a genuinely good guy.

[pbmax]

A tag and trade for Jennings would benefit from his rank as a player, he is a better and more accomplished WR (not sure he is top 5 though) than Flynn was a QB, and the fact that the WR tag number will be lower than a the QB number.

It will be complicated by the fact that Jennings is older and that WRs grow on trees.

Result: Never going to happen.

Packers have too many needs with cap space to tie him up with the tag and wait for a deal and as a result, it would need to be agreed to ahead of time. Makes it less likely.

[Fritz]

A tag and trade for Jennings would benefit from his rank as a player, he is a better and more accomplished WR (not sure he is top 5 though) than Flynn was a QB, and the fact that the WR tag number will be lower than a the QB number.

It will be complicated by the fact that Jennings is older and that WRs grow on trees.

Result: Never going to happen.

Packers have too many needs with cap space to tie him up with the tag and wait for a deal and as a result, it would need to be agreed to ahead of time. Makes it less likely.

Having watched Billy Schroeder and Robert "Turd"Ferguson in the green and gold, I dunno if they grow on trees. However, CHFF makes a good case that they are "hood ornaments."

Plus, I respect your opinion and so I think you are prolly right; thus I am reduced to merely hoping some Jerry Jones-like GM will pony up a second or third rounder for GJ.

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Having watched Billy Schroeder and Robert "Turd"Ferguson in the green and gold, I dunno if they grow on trees. However, CHFF makes a good case that they are "hood ornaments."

Plus, I respect your opinion and so I think you are prolly right; thus I am reduced to merely hoping some Jerry Jones-like GM will pony up a second or third rounder for GJ.

a gm like jerry jones HAS given up a first AND a third for a much less accomplished WR in the not too distant past

[pbmax]

Having watched Billy Schroeder and Robert "Turd"Ferguson in the green and gold, I dunno if they grow on trees. However, CHFF makes a good case that they are "hood ornaments."

Plus, I respect your opinion and so I think you are prolly right; thus I am reduced to merely hoping some Jerry Jones-like GM will pony up a second or third rounder for GJ.

True about WRs, not all the fruit on that tree is good. But its a position, unlike QB, LT or pass rushing DE that usually lends itself to finds after the 2nd round. Meaning the draft can be a real resource short term without having to give up picks.

[Fritz]

I wonder if any GM's have toyed with drafting primarily LT's, QB's, and DE's nearly exclusively in the first two rounds...

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i still wonder what would have happened had we kept jennings and let jones and or cobb walk

jennings was the last WR we had that could actually get open on his own, something cobb wishes he could do. and cobb got the same money we could have thrown at jennings a year early to keep him happy

and before anyone says jennings sucked after he left. yeah, but he never had a real QB after he left either

[call_me_ishmael]

Jennings was the much better player.