a James Jones vs Greg Jennings discussion

[pbmax]

It is unfortunate that GJ fails to recognize he is coming off an injury which makes it tougher to obtain a Larry Fitzgerald type contract.

GJ should quietly hope he gets franchised.

Maybe not Fitz money, but plenty of other receivers have received more guaranteed money than $9 mil upfront. I think he will attract that kind of bonus again.

[Bretsky]

tag and trade

there is no way some other team wouldn't trade for jennings under the franchise number

he's at least worth a 1st round pick. you can't just let that walk for nothing.

and yes, the 4th round comp pick we'd get in 2014 can suck my ass

Given the contract he's going to demmand and his age we won't get a #1 these days
I coudl see a #2

The Rams are the best fit in the NFL out there

[RashanGary]

They say he wants Vincent Jackson money 11/year. Jackson has 1,200 yards, averaging 20 YPC. Same age.

GJ is 5'11": Jackson 6'5".
Jennings has 6,200 yards on his career right now. Jackson is at 6,000.
Jennings 50 TD, Jackson 45
Jennings has had injuries keeping him out of games 4 of his 7 years in the league. Jackson 1 out of 7.




The Packers look to be about 10M under the cap for the coming years barring cuts and raises to players like Jennings/Rodgers.

Cuts:
Woodson 10M
Pickett 6M
Finley 7M
Hawk 5M
Driver 2M
Jennings 9M
Open space 10M

That's about 49M in open space if you just take an axe to the roster in ways that kind of make sense to clear space. I took Jennings out to add him later.


Rodgers (making 10M/year) Brees (making 25M/year) Lets assume AR is nice enough to take the same deal as Brees. We're down to 34
Matthews age 26 (making 2M/year) Ware age 30 (making 12M/year) Let's assume Matthews takes that deal. Down to 24
Raji should go from 6 to 8. Down to 22
Bulaga from 1 to 8. We're at 15
Nelson from 4 to 6. 13 left


Then you have the decisions of Jones, Brad Jones, Newhouse, Burnett, Shields, Walden, Neal, Pickett, Woodson, Hawk, Finley and Jennings (among others.) These guys have to split 13 million dollars. 500K a piece and give Jennings 10

How far can we strip the team down of players? I'm sure it's more complicated than this breakdown, but it looks like we can keep Jennings and 1 or 2 of the other guys in the list depending on the price.

Our guys are either young, just hitting their first big deal or in the primes of their careers. We're not loosing many players to age. With Jennings injuries the last two years especially, his age and the franchise tag, we do have some negotiating leverage in the offseason. It's not out of the realm to keep him, but if we do we'll be letting go a few high priced players and having to let go a bunch of the core glue guys shortly down the road. We only have two real superstars on this team. AR and CMIII. I don't know if it's appropriate to treat Jennings as such. Is he that much better than JJ, Nelson or Cobb? Is he worth two or three times the salary?

I wouldn't be against keeping him around on the franchise tag for 2 years, then letting him go so we can keep some of the core younger players that come up. I'm sure it would be an issue for him though and they're already digging in like they're pretty pissed off about the situation. Something tells me the GJ camp isn't going to be bending over any time soon. The Packers have WR's and a tag on Jennings along with it. I have a feeling this isn't going to go smoothly.

[woodbuck27]

They say he wants Vincent Jackson money 11/year. Jackson has 1,200 yards, averaging 20 YPC. Same age.

GJ is 5'11": Jackson 6'5".
Jennings has 6,200 yards on his career right now. Jackson is at 6,000.
Jennings 50 TD, Jackson 45
Jennings has had injuries keeping him out of games 4 of his 7 years in the league. Jackson 1 out of 7.




The Packers look to be about 10M under the cap for the coming years barring cuts and raises to players like Jennings/Rodgers.

Cuts:
Woodson 10M
Pickett 6M
Finley 7M
Hawk 5M
Driver 2M
Jennings 9M
Open space 10M

That's about 49M in open space if you just take an axe to the roster in ways that kind of make sense to clear space. I took Jennings out to add him later.


Rodgers (making 10M/year) Brees (making 25M/year) Lets assume AR is nice enough to take the same deal as Brees. We're down to 34
Matthews age 26 (making 2M/year) Ware age 30 (making 12M/year) Let's assume Matthews takes that deal. Down to 24
Raji should go from 6 to 8. Down to 22
Bulaga from 1 to 8. We're at 15
Nelson from 4 to 6. 13 left


Then you have the decisions of Jones, Brad Jones, Newhouse, Burnett, Shields, Walden, Neal, Pickett, Woodson, Hawk, Finley and Jennings (among others.) These guys have to split 13 million dollars. 500K a piece and give Jennings 10

How far can we strip the team down of players? I'm sure it's more complicated than this breakdown, but it looks like we can keep Jennings and 1 or 2 of the other guys in the list depending on the price.

Our guys are either young, just hitting their first big deal or in the primes of their careers. We're not loosing many players to age. With Jennings injuries the last two years especially, his age and the franchise tag, we do have some negotiating leverage in the offseason. It's not out of the realm to keep him, but if we do we'll be letting go a few high priced players and having to let go a bunch of the core glue guys shortly down the road. We only have two real superstars on this team. AR and CMIII. I don't know if it's appropriate to treat Jennings as such. Is he that much better than JJ, Nelson or Cobb? Is he worth two or three times the salary?

I wouldn't be against keeping him around on the franchise tag for 2 years, then letting him go so we can keep some of the core younger players that come up. I'm sure it would be an issue for him though and they're already digging in like they're pretty pissed off about the situation. Something tells me the GJ camp isn't going to be bending over any time soon. The Packers have WR's and a tag on Jennings along with it. I have a feeling this isn't going to go smoothly.

Wow... with all of that TT will be too confused.

The talk today on NFL access and specifically here's what Eric Davis said that makes too much sense:

The Minnesota Vikings need a starting QB who can run an offense efficiently.

The answer is Alex Smith...a perfect fit. The Vikings are a perfect fit for another upcoming FA.

His name...... Greg Jennings.

Greg Jennings has made it very clear. He wants to retire a Packer. He likes being a Packer. It's up to Ted Thompson to make that a reality. The way that TT handled Scott Wells and Cullen Jenkins bothers Greg Jennings. He's concerned about Ted Thompson and TT's plans for him as a Packer or not.

TT always has $his bottom line$.

IMO we will see TT ' tag him ' rather than see Greg Jennings line up against us in 2013.

If you like watching him play you may get the best chance seeing him wearing purple in 2014.

GO PACKERS !

[red]

most of those guys don't have to be signed this offseason, it would be nice, it would be nice, but all are under contract through the 2013 season, and nelson, bulaga and rodgers are signed on for 2 more seasons

personaly, i don't see bulaga getting a new contract at all this offseason. he played a few games like crap then got injured for the rest of the year. see if he improves next year and can stay healthy, then work on his contract after next season

[Smeefers]

They say he wants Vincent Jackson money 11/year. Jackson has 1,200 yards, averaging 20 YPC. Same age.

GJ is 5'11": Jackson 6'5".
Jennings has 6,200 yards on his career right now. Jackson is at 6,000.
Jennings 50 TD, Jackson 45
Jennings has had injuries keeping him out of games 4 of his 7 years in the league. Jackson 1 out of 7.




The Packers look to be about 10M under the cap for the coming years barring cuts and raises to players like Jennings/Rodgers.

Cuts:
Woodson 10M
Pickett 6M
Finley 7M
Hawk 5M
Driver 2M
Jennings 9M
Open space 10M

That's about 49M in open space if you just take an axe to the roster in ways that kind of make sense to clear space. I took Jennings out to add him later.


Rodgers (making 10M/year) Brees (making 25M/year) Lets assume AR is nice enough to take the same deal as Brees. We're down to 34
Matthews age 26 (making 2M/year) Ware age 30 (making 12M/year) Let's assume Matthews takes that deal. Down to 24
Raji should go from 6 to 8. Down to 22
Bulaga from 1 to 8. We're at 15
Nelson from 4 to 6. 13 left


Then you have the decisions of Jones, Brad Jones, Newhouse, Burnett, Shields, Walden, Neal, Pickett, Woodson, Hawk, Finley and Jennings (among others.) These guys have to split 13 million dollars. 500K a piece and give Jennings 10

How far can we strip the team down of players? I'm sure it's more complicated than this breakdown, but it looks like we can keep Jennings and 1 or 2 of the other guys in the list depending on the price.

Our guys are either young, just hitting their first big deal or in the primes of their careers. We're not loosing many players to age. With Jennings injuries the last two years especially, his age and the franchise tag, we do have some negotiating leverage in the offseason. It's not out of the realm to keep him, but if we do we'll be letting go a few high priced players and having to let go a bunch of the core glue guys shortly down the road. We only have two real superstars on this team. AR and CMIII. I don't know if it's appropriate to treat Jennings as such. Is he that much better than JJ, Nelson or Cobb? Is he worth two or three times the salary?

I wouldn't be against keeping him around on the franchise tag for 2 years, then letting him go so we can keep some of the core younger players that come up. I'm sure it would be an issue for him though and they're already digging in like they're pretty pissed off about the situation. Something tells me the GJ camp isn't going to be bending over any time soon. The Packers have WR's and a tag on Jennings along with it. I have a feeling this isn't going to go smoothly.

Noooo! Numbers make things much more solid! I want to role around in the ambivalence of it all. Bah, TT can resign everyone... AND pick up some huge free agents.

[RashanGary]

With that logic, Red, you could cash out your 401K today and go buy a Corvette or whatever else it is would make you happy. Winning the SB isn't equivocal to spending everything you have right away. It's more like real life, where the ultimate goal requires some planning and balancing of priorities.

I'll bet you all of us have made some decisions (or not made them) on the account of financial restriction. Maybe you had to sell your boat, or worse. I'll bet nobody who loves to fish gets up in the morning, divorced, up against the cap, happy to be selling one of the things that brings joy to their life. . . . But they do it. They do it because life doesn't tomorrow and they want to make sure when tomorrow comes they have a life worth living.

For the love of Pete. Look at the big picture. You make it sound like the whole idea is lunacy. It's like our parents said when were were 8 years old, "money doesn't grown on trees." it's the age old lesson that we can't always get what we want. I don't think anyone wants to see GJ go. TT, MM, AR, anyone. . . . And there is no guarantee he does. But there's a salary cap and we're going to have to start shredding the roster if we want to keep him.


He's not a blue chip player. He's a red. We have AR and CMIII. Greg Jennings does not get, nor should he, that kind of treatment.

[mraynrand]

He's not a blue chip player. He's a red. We have AR and CMIII. Greg Jennings does not get, nor should he, that kind of treatment.

and we have TT, who can draft WRs of high (red) value in the second round. GJ played right away. GB can get more guys like him, and since GB has a stable of decent receivers, they can work the new guy in gradually, like they did with Cobb. Plus, you want to save that money to sign Finley. He's a blue-chipper all the way!

[Bretsky]

To me, GJ is an easy franchise and trade guy if TT thinks he can get a pick for him. Worst case is we could carry him for a yr but pulling, say a 2nd, would be solid. We can draft another WR this year.

[run pMc]

I think TT let's Jennings shop around for a contract and if it's not steep considers matching offer.

Of course, Minnesota will overpay Jennings, pair him with Harvin, Peterson and Ponder and still struggle to get 8 wins.

Meanwhile, TT drafts another WR and plugs him in. Rodgers > most QB's; I bet Larry Fitzgerald wishes he had a real QB to throw to him. If we've learned anything this year, it's that M3's offense can withstand losing GJ with Jordy/JJ/Cobb and maybe Finley picking up the slack. Granted, it's better with GJ than without it, but with his age, injury history, and the Donald Driver Experience coasting to an end before our eyes, I think they'll let him walk. A big part of that is (unlike Minnesota) GB has an above average passing offense with Rodgers at the helm.

GJ's seems like a really good guy and a good #1WR, and it will stink to lose him. I think there are other parts of the roster that need more help/money thrown at them.

[Pugger]

Even tho he has been hurt this year Greg is still considered a top 10 WR in the league. It would help if we had any clue what TT thinks Greg is worth...

[red]

To me, GJ is an easy franchise and trade guy if TT thinks he can get a pick for him. Worst case is we could carry him for a yr but pulling, say a 2nd, would be solid. We can draft another WR this year.

and a tag and trade like others have said keeps him away from our rivals

[Guiness]

I agree that we tag - then trade, if we can. But unlike Flynn last year, who cares if we're stuck with him? If healthy, he'll be a solid contributor, whereas Flynn would've been a $15 million ride the pine guy.

Injuries have to be a concern though. There is some question if he's even worth the tag. Is there any chance he plays a 16 game season?

[gbgary]

tt will make jennings an offer that makes sense for the Packers and then he'll let him go. After drafting three o-lineman he'll draft a wr.

[Pugger]

I agree that we tag - then trade, if we can. But unlike Flynn last year, who cares if we're stuck with him? If healthy, he'll be a solid contributor, whereas Flynn would've been a $15 million ride the pine guy.

Injuries have to be a concern though. There is some question if he's even worth the tag. Is there any chance he plays a 16 game season?

How many games did he miss last season? Isn't this the first year he's missed a significant number of games?