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  • #61
    Originally posted by wist43 View Post
    The list I put together would require some moving around, but that's how I'd approach it. Target the players you like, assess their value relative to where you think they'll go, and move around to get there. I think TT will just sit where he's at and take BPA.

    I see our OL/DL's as being fatally weak. Power teams just beat us into the ground, and we are powerless to do anything about it. I'd much rather have Brandon Williams in the 3rd, than Monte Ball in the 2nd.

    If we shored up C, DE/DT, and ILB?? I'd say we're right back to being a threat for the SB; but I don't think TT and MM see either line as a weakness. They could easily rationalize that EDS is a legit, full season starting C; and that Newhouse will improve, or that Sherrod will actually get on the field and produce (not holding my breath on either); or that playing a 2-4 nickel as your base defense is actually a good idea; or that AJ Hawk will be involved in a turnover play one of these years - more of what we had last year.

    TT and MM are always preaching improve from within... coach a guy up, get him in the offseason conditioning program, and fill your holes that way - only problem is, I don't see the answers to our problem positions on the roster.
    Yes I agree with all of your points. Ted Thompson will claim he went BPA....on his board.

    TT and MM will go with hope and our talent (Ohh boy) on the offensive line. Forget a high pick on the OL ie at tackle.

    That takes me to freeing up Clay Matthews III and hopefully seeing more from OLB Nick Price in 2013. Focusing on our DL and adding stability/durability and playmaking. BJ Raji and Ryan Pickett need help or both wear down. What TT did in the draft last year is now compromised with the injury and re-hab for DE Jerel Worthy. We shouldn't use magic thinking and Johnny Jolly. GJ Wilson, Mike's Neal and Daniels need more seasoning.

    We draft two out of three in first three rounds at DL.

    I had been targeting as one decent possibility... **OT Terron Armstead, Arkansas - Pine Bluff at #26. I went back and forth between that **guy and DT Jesse Williams, Alabama at #26. If I went OT at #26 choose ie DT John Jenkins, Georgia at pick #55.

    If I selected DT Jesse Williams at #26 my target at #55, fill your boots BPA Safety...Philip Thomas; Bacarri Rambo; ** T.J. McDonald (size and bloodline) or D.J. Swearinger / (slash) WR Quinton Patton; Terrence Williams; Markus Wheaton or ** Justin Hunter. I also like 'the white guy'...** Ryan Swope of Texas A&M. He can motor and makes plays. He might be best suited in the slot.

    ** These above prospects intrigue me.

    Going forward and backing up. Picking DT Brandon Williams, Missouri Southern at #88 in Rd. 3 (and he's BPA )... seals the deal for a plan and a hope.

    Going with the above plan at #55 takes us back to Rd. 1 pick #26.

    We don't go LT or DT now. If DE Margus Hunt, Southern Methodist is available....pick him. He's an extraordinay athlete. He'll be a real game changer for us. We havn't seen too many prospects as athletic as he is. Why shouldn't we invest a first round pick in him? We've had two of TT's first round picks virtually unavailable to our team since they were drafted.

    It's simply what it is. No need for excuses please.

    Sorry BJ Raji but we still need you to carry some of the heavy lifting with Ryan Pickett as long as he lasts. We'll give you a rest with DT Brandon Williams.

    So what am I hoping for?

    I hope that Ted Thompson goes BPA 'playmaker' at #26 and #55.

    Imagine these two players in our line-up.

    Margus Hunt on 'D' and WR Justin Hunter on 'O'. Margus Hunt and FS T.J. McDonald on 'D'?

    Plays baby !

    Aaron Rodgers looking for Justin Hunter and his blazing speed... 'He's open'... TOUCHDOWN !

    James Jones, Jordy Nelson,Randall Cobb and Justin Hunter.

    If we don't get him he'll (maybe?) be with an NFCN opponent.
    Last edited by woodbuck27; 04-03-2013, 02:29 PM.
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    • #62
      Originally posted by wist43 View Post
      I'm sold !
      ** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
      ** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
      ** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
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      • #63
        Is there any wiggle room with the number 92?
        [QUOTE=George Cumby] ...every draft (Ted) would pick a solid, dependable, smart, athletically limited linebacker...the guy who isn't doing drugs, going to strip bars, knocking around his girlfriend or making any plays of game changing significance.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by swede View Post
          Is there any wiggle room with the number 92?
          Today I'm finally arriving at HIGH on DE Margus Hunt, Southern Methodist in Round 1, Pick #26 and a great gift for the soon to become richest player in the NFL Aaron Rodgers. WR Justin Hunter, Tennessee in Round 2 - Pick #55.

          These two playmakers will be solid additions to the Green Bay Packers roster.

          Swede....you can do more than:



          WIGGLE

          You can:



          WAGGLE

          GO PACK GO !
          ** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
          ** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
          ** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
          ** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. Thoreau

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          • #65
            Originally posted by swede View Post
            Is there any wiggle room with the number 92?
            No.....the guy is a beast though.
            C.H.U.D.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by woodbuck27 View Post
              You have Margus Hunt rated that high. WOW!

              I was thinking that posters were simply getting emotional about this prospect. I need to study him more.

              Brandon Williams, DT/DE, Missouri Southern St. is a good option in Round 3 Pick #88. This fella is strong if your considering a good prospect on the defensive line and as late as Round 3.

              Check him out:



              As an option and Center...I'm looking at:

              Brian Schwenke, California or Khaled Holmes, USC in Round 4 pick #122.

              ILB Kiko Alonso, Oregon is someone I'd look at as an option to make us tougher. With so many of the prospects in this draft he does have issues. An unusual number of prospects in this draft have health/injury Red Flags. In some cases it's more. You can check that out for yourself and Kiko Alonso. It appears to me that this player is cleared to go in terms of a health risk.

              I don't care who you draft as long as that prospect is absolutely sold on becoming a Green Bay Packer in terms of that being an honor. That that same football player has an outstanding character. Is solidly motivated, overall positive. Possesses leadership qualities and/or is a solid team player.



              If you really really love Kiko Alonso you might pick him in Round 3 pick #88.

              If he's there in Round 4 pick #122 ILB (OLB) Kiko Alonso might be more seriously considered as a bargain.

              GO PACKERS !
              "Individual commitment to a group effort - that
              is what makes a team work, a company work,
              a society work, a civilization work."
              - Vince Lombardi
              ** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
              ** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
              ** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
              ** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. Thoreau

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              • #67
                Originally posted by woodbuck27 View Post
                Today I'm finally arriving at HIGH on DE Margus Hunt, Southern Methodist in Round 1, Pick #26 and a great gift for the soon to become richest player in the NFL Aaron Rodgers. WR Justin Hunter, Tennessee in Round 2 - Pick #55.

                These two playmakers will be solid additions to the Green Bay Packers roster.

                Swede....you can do more than:



                WIGGLE

                You can:



                WAGGLE

                GO PACK GO !
                OK so that looked good until I got back to a reality check:

                Hear a record needle scratching across the vinyl....



                No way is it smart to use a first round selection on Margus Hunt. He looks like (maybe?) few that we've ever seen and with that you have to say to yourself:

                STOP ! He has to be drafted into a specific system that knows exactly how to use his athleticism. He looks awesome on video. He's so fricken strong and fast ...he's the Terminator....Superman..whatever. The WOW Factor is huge. Sure you see the best DE that ever lived in the NFL.

                He won't be a Green Bay Packer. Ted Thompson is too cautious to pick this fella.

                The second thing is that I don't see such an explosive WR as Justin Hunter being available at pick #55. There'll will be a run on WR's in Picks 35-50. In any case this WR is gaining alot of attention of late. He's been on a rise according to sources and almost certainly picked before #55.

                So it's back to the drawing board and it's hard.

                So many of the late round one and round two prospects have something wrong. I wouldn't want to be Ted Thompson. Even though his board is set he'll have to pick his BPA.

                We wish him Good Luck.

                PACKERS !
                ** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
                ** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
                ** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
                ** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. Thoreau

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                • #68
                  I think Margus Hunt would look very good in a Packer uniform!
                  Who Knows? The Shadow knows!

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                  • #69
                    The thing about Hunt, as I said, is that he's only played the game for 4 years, and he's very raw - but, you have to assume he's going to put on another 15-20 lbs, and he's going to continue to improve his technique, and progress as a football player. He has the potential to be a guy that has to be accounted for on every down.

                    As for one of the other guys I really like - Brandon Williams, I settled on him over Jenkins, Short, Jesse Williams, and Sylvester Williams b/c he is big, country strong, can 2-gap, can hold up against double teams, and can disengage and flatten down the line pretty well. Of those 5 guys, I definitely prefer Brandon Williams - and like Sylvester Williams behind him.

                    I don't like that Jesse Williams is very much top heavy... he looks like two toothpicks sticking out of a potato. Wonder if he'll have knee and ankle problems?? As for Jenkins, I don't like him. Everything I watched of him, he never got off blocks, he didn't push the pocket, and he showed nothing in pursuit.
                    wist

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by pittstang5 View Post
                      That's what I love/hate about the NFL draft. Players are sometimes drafted very early due to potential alone or "wowed" at the Combine (Bruce Irvin last year comes to mind).
                      That's why TT calls it the "Underwear Olympics", he wants to draft football players, not workout warriors. Remember how Shea McClellin's stock soared right before the draft last year? The Bears drafted him ahead of us and he had 14 tackles and 2.5 sacks: http://www.chicagobears.com/team/ros...4-0202b2727706
                      Thanks Ted!

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by wist43 View Post
                        The thing about Hunt, as I said, is that he's only played the game for 4 years, and he's very raw - but, you have to assume he's going to put on another 15-20 lbs, and he's going to continue to improve his technique, and progress as a football player. He has the potential to be a guy that has to be accounted for on every down.

                        As for one of the other guys I really like - Brandon Williams, I settled on him over Jenkins, Short, Jesse Williams, and Sylvester Williams b/c he is big, country strong, can 2-gap, can hold up against double teams, and can disengage and flatten down the line pretty well. Of those 5 guys, I definitely prefer Brandon Williams - and like Sylvester Williams behind him.

                        I don't like that Jesse Williams is very much top heavy... he looks like two toothpicks sticking out of a potato. Wonder if he'll have knee and ankle problems?? As for Jenkins, I don't like him. Everything I watched of him, he never got off blocks, he didn't push the pocket, and he showed nothing in pursuit.
                        "I definitely prefer Brandon Williams - and like Sylvester Williams behind him." wist43

                        Good Wist43.

                        Thanks for the heads up in terms of me working on my draft. I'm seriously working on that for the last three days and a breakthrough yesterday became a wipeout. I got more than a tad overwhelmed over Margus Hunt and temporarily decided to go with show.

                        Up to yesterday I had been ignoring all the hype on this man. I had a closer look yesterday and POW! Video on DE Margus Hunt and WR Justin Hunter, Tennessee can certainly get the adrenal glands flowing. Today it's back to earth time:

                        DT Brandon Williams, Missouri Southern * Div. 2 - Conf. MIAA* (Target Rd. 3).

                        Vs

                        DT Sylvester Williams, North Carolina ** Div. 1-A - Conf. ACC ** (Target Rd. 2) .

                        **************************************************

                        Wist43? * Vs ** !?

                        Does that bother you? RE: Decision between these two DT's?

                        **************************************************


                        It all starts 'again' right there for me. Not necessarily in this order and BPA 'of course' :

                        a) DT (STRONG)

                        b) DE or ILB (Playmaker)

                        c) Safety (Hard hitting playmaker)

                        Gifts for the $multi million$ man.

                        d) OL and Center (versatility)

                        e) WR

                        f) TE or RB ... 'a difference maker on our 'O'.

                        g) Two to spare. We need a backup QB!

                        GO PACKERS !
                        Last edited by woodbuck27; 04-04-2013, 07:22 AM.
                        ** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
                        ** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
                        ** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
                        ** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. Thoreau

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by woodbuck27 View Post
                          "I definitely prefer Brandon Williams - and like Sylvester Williams behind him." wist43

                          Good Wist43.

                          Thanks for the heads up in terms of me working on my draft. I'm seriously working on that for the last three days and a breakthrough yesterday became a wipeout. I got more than a tad overwhelmed over Margus Hunt and temporarily decided to go with show.

                          Up to yesterday I had been ignoring all the hype on this man. I had a closer look yesterday and POW! Video on DE Margus Hunt and WR Justin Hunter, Tennessee can certainly get the adrenal glands flowing. Today it's back to earth time:

                          DT Brandon Williams, Missouri Southern * Div. 2 - Conf. MIAA* (Target Rd. 3).

                          Vs

                          DT Sylvester Williams, North Carolina ** Div. 1-A - Conf. ACC ** (Target Rd. 2) .

                          **************************************************

                          Wist43? * Vs ** !?

                          Does that bother you? RE: Decision between these two DT's?

                          **************************************************


                          It all starts 'again' right there for me. Not necessarily in this order and BPA 'of course' :

                          a) DT (STRONG)

                          b) DE or ILB (Playmaker)

                          c) Safety (Hard hitting playmaker)

                          Gifts for the $multi million$ man.

                          d) OL and Center (versatility)

                          e) WR

                          f) TE or RB ... 'a difference maker on our 'O'.

                          g) Two to spare. We need a backup QB!

                          GO PACKERS !
                          It comes down to body type for those DT/DE's.

                          Brandon Williams may be rated below Sylvester Williams, but that's dependent upon how you would use each guy. I think Brandon Williams can anchor inside better and play the nose as much as you need him to. I don't think you can say that of Sylvester Williams - or any of those other DT's. I think they could rotate at the nose, but I'm looking for a guy who can anchor down in there anytime you called on him.

                          That said, I'd be okay with Sylvester Williams, and maybe Hankins. The one I don't want is Jenkins.
                          wist

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                          • #73
                            Not in the first round, no. But John Jenkins could be a great NT. If we got him in the 2nd round, I would be thrilled.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by packrulz View Post
                              That's why TT calls it the "Underwear Olympics", he wants to draft football players, not workout warriors. Remember how Shea McClellin's stock soared right before the draft last year? The Bears drafted him ahead of us and he had 14 tackles and 2.5 sacks: http://www.chicagobears.com/team/ros...4-0202b2727706
                              6'3 260 is hardly going to hold up as a 4-3 DE. I don't think they had a solid plan for him when they drafted him.
                              "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." -Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by The Shadow View Post
                                I think Margus Hunt would look very good in a Packer uniform!
                                If they have a position for him, I'd agree. There's nothing prototypical about a guy who is 6-8 and 280. I wonder if he cold add 20 pounds and play 5 technique DE in a 3-4. You'd hate to see a team draft a guy in the first round and have him be a situational player. Love the flashes of dominance and speed. Very impressive. I want to know how he holds up defending the run, or does he get washed out of plays being so tall?

                                I'd love Kenny Vaccaro, the SS safety from TX. He could be a big help with Woodson gone and Nick Collins forced into early retirement. That said, I don't know if he lasts until 26, but if he does, how do you not take him. He's not Earl Thomas, but he's pretty darn good.
                                "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." -Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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