Is Packers' McCarthy the NFL's best coach?

[Pugger]

no to m3, not even close

he has no ability what so ever at adjusting during a game, and IMO, thats a pretty big part of coaching

Yeah, he really sucks the bag. Who wants a lousy coach that is 80-42 in 6 years? Let's bring back Sherman.

*sarcasm off

[red]

Yeah, he really sucks the bag. Who wants a lousy coach that is 80-42 in 6 years? Let's bring back Sherman.

*sarcasm off

yup, and everyone said sherman was the greatest ever before he was let go too. who's he coaching for now?

oh, and BTW, sherman had a better win percentage at green bay

edit, my numbers were wrong. m3 has the better win percentage

[Pugger]

Sherman is the OC for that powerhouse Miami Dolphins. His winning percentage in GB was .578 and MM's is .660. MM isn't perfect by any stretch but I'd rather have him instead of Sherman all day long.

[smuggler]

Shermy handcuffed himself with inferior talent because he was a weak GM.

[swede]

Shermy handcuffed himself with inferior talent because he was a weak GM.

So you're saying he was a better coach than MM because at the end Shermy's GM blew chunks.

I am actually thinking about this.

[SnakeLH2006]

I just wanna say..I don't hate MM..He's excellent at bringing up the young players TT drafts...most coaches couldn't/wouldn't wanna do that. He's a top 10 current coach for sure. His passing mind is elite. His gameplanning really sux at times...but Bretsky brought up Mike Tomlin and Payton...both coaches I'd take in a heartbeat. I think MM and even TT to a degree (Hawk, Finley)...fall into a bind with their own guys thinking they can make them work...but they don't.

I don't have a beef with MM so much as I laughed at the article about MM being elite. He's a damn great teacher...a pretty good coach...and a piss-poor play-caller when it comes to adjusting to the league...aka 2012's entire season.

I'm not saying Shermy was a better coach...he's not at all...but had similar records with elite QB's...albeit Favre was nowhere near Arod now...and MM is a better coach...but similar records till the wheels fell off for Shermy. Shermy could get a running game going...and their playcalling was similarly bad.

[woodbuck27]

So you're saying he was a better coach than MM because at the end Shermy's GM blew chunks.

I am actually thinking about this.

I think he (smuggler) got that right.

Can you imagine how very tough it is to be an NFL HC and the teams GM? For most people that try that you might predict one thing. That isn't necessarily good to huge success. After some time, yet more than likely. The real passion for what you aimed to achieve will result in you being:



You have to be bordering on genious; a hard worker and somehow trecherous to get that done very well.

You have to be at least slightly masochistic and/or have an enormous ego. Seldom good things.

PACKERS !

[pbmax]

Sherm had more ups and downs than a roller coaster. Every season started slow, then there was an emotional appeal in the Marriott Airport Conference Room B and a winning streak. Then it petered out and they limped home.

And no one remembers the hiring of someone to manage the 2 minute drill and challenges. Sherman was the perfect coach for a run first team. But he couldn't manufacture a D (without Donatell) or a passing game (with Schroeder) to match it.

[Zool]

Sherman had Favre, Ahman Green and what basically everyone on this board would call the best O-line in recent memory. He was the quintessential deer in headlights. He was bad bad bad. People have some sort of crush on him for getting in Sapp's face. Take that away and what do you remember about him?

[woodbuck27]

Sherman had Favre, Ahman Green and what basically everyone on this board would call the best O-line in recent memory. He was the quintessential deer in headlights. He was bad bad bad. People have some sort of crush on him for getting in Sapp's face. Take that away and what do you remember about him?

He worked his butt off. Long long hours. That man certainly tried and tried way too hard.

The result: Just what happens to most mere mortals.

Big Burn... Burn out ! How did we know that?

He was visable. He was the Green bay Packers HC .............. and GM.

[Guiness]

So you're saying he was a better coach than MM because at the end Shermy's GM blew chunks.

I am actually thinking about this.

I don't think that's quite what smuggler meant - but there is truth in saying that his record probably would've been better if he hadn't been given GM duties.

The question has to be if a trained monkey could've strung together winning seasons after being gifted Favre, Ahman, Henderson, Driver, Freeman, Butler, Sharper, Rivera and Whale, then got bookend tackles in Clifton and Tauscher, along with KGB in his first draft in 2000! Hell, looking at that list, maybe the monkey wouldn't have to be trained!

[Patler]

I don't think that's quite what smuggler meant - but there is truth in saying that his record probably would've been better if he hadn't been given GM duties.

The question has to be if a trained monkey could've strung together winning seasons after being gifted Favre, Ahman, Henderson, Driver, Freeman, Butler, Sharper, Rivera and Whale, then got bookend tackles in Clifton and Tauscher, along with KGB in his first draft in 2000! Hell, looking at that list, maybe the monkey wouldn't have to be trained!

Then, throw in the added detail that during Sherman's years as a coach, no other NFC North team had a winning record. MN and Chicago each had a decent year or two, but the best either could do for the six years Sherman was in GB was MN having a .500 record.

Sherman could count on 5 or 6 wins each year just by not being awful. His record against decent teams was not very good.

[Guiness]

Then, throw in the added detail that during Sherman's years as a coach, no other NFC North team had a winning record. MN and Chicago each had a decent year or two, but the best either could do for the six years Sherman was in GB was MN having a .500 record.

Sherman could count on 5 or 6 wins each year just by not being awful. His record against decent teams was not very good.

I think I inherently knew that, but kind of forgot. Yet another reason Sherman didn't seem to get a sniff for another HC gig after leaving Green Bay with a lofty record.

For a few year after '92 all the teams in the NFC North (except TB, but they never were very far north!) were pretty competitive, in '97 both wild card teams were out of the north, but that didn't last very long.

[3irty1]

I don't see a coach I'd rather have than MM in the league right now. His ability to formulate a game plan is very special. He's a master strategist on the level of Hoody IMO. People on here whose main problem with him is his playcalling are fixated on one or two instances or wrongly think we should be running the ball more. He's as good of a playcaller as exists in the NFL. There is no doubt that his staff are excellent teachers as well.

I don't really buy into the Harbaugh/Schwartz "motivator" personality but if I did I might not like MM. I don't need a head coach that will grab face masks and spit in faces. These guys are highly paid professionals. If a player needs additional motivation beyond that then kick them the fuck off the team.

One problem I have with MM is that I have questioned his time management. That was something Sherman was king of so maybe that's just got me spoiled. Also he is possibly too loyal to his coaches and players, giving 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th chances where we would probably give 2. Gutting the staff after 2008 was probably too late. Many times I've felt a player must have naked pictures of him.

I think Coughlin probably deserves the honor of top coach right now based on record. That team are amazing road warriors and nobody has done more with less than Coughlin IMO. I'm not sure what his recipe is but it certainly works.

[Patler]

I think I inherently knew that, but kind of forgot. Yet another reason Sherman didn't seem to get a sniff for another HC gig after leaving Green Bay with a lofty record.

For a few year after '92 all the teams in the NFC North (except TB, but they never were very far north!) were pretty competitive, in '97 both wild card teams were out of the north, but that didn't last very long.

Just to throw a few numbers out there. From 2000 thru 2005:

Packers - 57/39
Vikings - 48/48
Bears - 45/51
Lions - 30/66