Is Packers' McCarthy the NFL's best coach?

[Pugger]

So we were somehow lucky that year, is what I read you as saying. You're discounting that Super Bowl, and you're sure that luck will not happen again because
SF is too tough, too physical for a pink-skirted team like Green Bay, which deliberately chooses to play pussyball.

Look, Wist, you can see it any way you want, but it seems clear you're never going to be happy, ever. Green Bay acheived the greatest prize in the NFL three years ago, but you think it was somehow luck and so doesn't quite count. You admire SF as more manly and better, but they haven't won a SB in many years, though they did go last year.

Sure it looks good for them, and I agree they are more physical than the Pack. But the Bears reputedly are too, as are the Giants, and neither of them got very far last year. I would like you like to see the team get more physical. I don't disagree. But I don't discount the quality of this team nor its chances as you seem to.

Watching that playoff loss was hard. The defense was awful that day - all of 'em, even Matthews. I want this year's team to be a little tougher. They could use a Wayne Simmons or two, for sure. But I'm not going to bemoan this team's chances, either. I really do think it's about, in part, catching fire and believing completely and playing out of your head when the playoffs roll around. But that's impossible to bottle up, which is partly why the playoffs are so fascinating.

We could have used Bulaga, Benson, Perry and Bishop in the playoffs too.

Do any of you think the Ravens were the best team last year? They, like other teams lately (like we did in 2010) got hot at the end of the season and won it all. Getting some of these guys back (I don't know about Benson. He isn't resigned yet. Maybe his foot isn't right?) plus our new draft picks will do wonders for this team. All we have to do is get back in the playoffs and anything can happen.

[Pugger]

Again... I looked at that exit point in the playoff's 'Green bay Packers at San Fran 49ers', few days ago.

If Jeremy Ross doesn't blow it? Poor lad! What might have changed in terms of us and momentum?

Even as that went; we went into the dressing room tied at halftime. In that first half.

Our best players were guys like DuJuan Harris, James Jones and Sam Shields. Clay Matthews was up and down but he had to face a gritty LT inspite of him not being 100%. Aaron Rodgers hit Greg Jennings early and then for the longest time he was forgotten. Why?

Sure Crabtree, Gore and Kaepernick looked good. You cannot take that away from the 49ers. Our 'D' helped them to that.

I saw it on the negative side... another way. We went flat in the second half.

The Packers ran out of gas. It was like there was a virus on that roster. Aaron Rodgers was certainly not 100% or under the weather. He simply couldn't get into any groove in that game. He was forever getting game time early in that game and he got restless. Aaron Rodgers is a very intense man. Yet got in there and us squared up. All the same, Aaron Rodgers never looked comfortable in that game.

Having posted that I have to add this.

On that day the Green Bay Packer were facing a very solid San Francisco 49ers team. That team 'will be' tougher this season. So will the Seattle Seahawks. So will the Atlanta Falcons.

Ted Thompson needs a killer draft. We need alot of breaks this season in the adversity Dept. to be serious contenders. The Green Bay Packers have to work their tails off. Aaron Rodgers 'again' must be the NFL MVP.

Give us all that and then 'maybe'... 'just maybe' we win the Super Bowl.

The point is this. The same goes for any serious contending team in the NFL.

So many things have to go just right for any team to be crowned Super Bowl Champions.

Will we be forgotten or mentioned as a maybe? I believe it will be the latter.

GO PACK GO !

I still get miffed when I think how we stopped running the ball in the second half.

[wist43]

So we were somehow lucky that year, is what I read you as saying. You're discounting that Super Bowl, and you're sure that luck will not happen again because
SF is too tough, too physical for a pink-skirted team like Green Bay, which deliberately chooses to play pussyball.

Look, Wist, you can see it any way you want, but it seems clear you're never going to be happy, ever. Green Bay acheived the greatest prize in the NFL three years ago, but you think it was somehow luck and so doesn't quite count. You admire SF as more manly and better, but they haven't won a SB in many years, though they did go last year.

Sure it looks good for them, and I agree they are more physical than the Pack. But the Bears reputedly are too, as are the Giants, and neither of them got very far last year. I would like you like to see the team get more physical. I don't disagree. But I don't discount the quality of this team nor its chances as you seem to.

Watching that playoff loss was hard. The defense was awful that day - all of 'em, even Matthews. I want this year's team to be a little tougher. They could use a Wayne Simmons or two, for sure. But I'm not going to bemoan this team's chances, either. I really do think it's about, in part, catching fire and believing completely and playing out of your head when the playoffs roll around. But that's impossible to bottle up, which is partly why the playoffs are so fascinating.

It's a new season Fritz... that SB win is a memory. I enjoyed it just like all Packer fans, but now it's on to the business of winning another one. Where do we stand relative to the competition??

The NFC in 2013 is a much tougher conference than it was in 2010-2011. In 2010 Atlanta was the #1 seed, and Chicago #2. Atlanta was just learning what it takes to be a playoff team, and Chicago is Chicago. Philadelphia was a flawed/finesee team as well.

2013 on the other hand - SF is just a beast; Seattle is better than Green Bay; as are the Giants, and Falcons. Much, much tougher row to hoe than in 2010.

So the competition is better... what is the condition of our team?? Is Green Bay a better team today than it was in January 2011?? I would argue that Green Bay has taken a step back. We've lost a lot of good players - Collins, Clifton, Jennings, Jenkins, Woodson... we're worse at C and LT, and our front seven is a mess.

Those games against the 49er's weren't a fluke - they completely dominated us physically. X's and O's had a little to do with it - Capers is an idiot - but the fact is, SF beat us up, literally beat us up, and we were helpless to stop the beating.

[SnakeLH2006]

Sherman had Favre, Ahman Green and what basically everyone on this board would call the best O-line in recent memory. He was the quintessential deer in headlights. He was bad bad bad. People have some sort of crush on him for getting in Sapp's face. Take that away and what do you remember about him?

Still makes the Snake rigid.

Sapp is lucky he wasn't shot years ago in his Thug Life stage....or even now I guess. Guy is an absolute moron.

MM is a better coach, but Shermy wasn't that bad. It's almost as if some peeps think the talent was THAT much better under Shermy and he just did it with twiddle-sticks. MM is a good coach...better than Shermy, but the guy won some games..not a SB..but wasn't terrible. You want a bad coach in the Favre era....look up Ray Fuckin Rhodes.

[Fritz]

When Green Bay went through that playoff run, I don't remember anyone on this board talking about how easy the playoff opponents looked. Not at all. That's just you revising history, Wist.

Yes, teams are tough this season. And yes, Green Bay could use some toughness up front. I've been advocating for a first, second, or third round defensive tackle and/or defensive end, and somehwere in the middle, maybe, an inside linebacker. I'd like to see the draft lean once again toward defense.

Okay, so let's focus on the future, then. That means no one's won anything yet. We have paper champions, as we always do at this point in the season, but no one's won anything. So let's see how it plays out.

[Pugger]

Still makes the Snake rigid.

Sapp is lucky he wasn't shot years ago in his Thug Life stage....or even now I guess. Guy is an absolute moron.

MM is a better coach, but Shermy wasn't that bad. It's almost as if some peeps think the talent was THAT much better under Shermy and he just did it with twiddle-sticks. MM is a good coach...better than Shermy, but the guy won some games..not a SB..but wasn't terrible. You want a bad coach in the Favre era....look up Ray Fuckin Rhodes.

Yes, Rhodes was the worst but Harlan was an idiot giving Sherman the GM job on top of HC.

[Fritz]

Agreed there, Pug. I never did like the idea of one guy having both jobs. It's too tempting for the coach part to think short term, thus fucking up the team long term. A GM has to think long term most of the time, and Shermy just didn't do that. We know this because of the cap mess and team mess he left.

[pbmax]

Sapp is many things, including a con artist. But stupid is not one of his traits.

[woodbuck27]

Sapp is many things, including a con artist. But stupid is not one of his traits.

Yes Warren Sapp can do stupid things 'sometimes' but he's not stupid. Those stupid things never got his ass fired. We all have done stupid things. Life is an education.

I watch this man all the time and closely on NFL Access and he's respected.

[woodbuck27]

Yes, Rhodes was the worst but Harlan was an idiot giving Sherman the GM job on top of HC.

If Robert E. "Bob" Harlan was an idiot!?

What does that say for the Green Bay Packers Organization?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Harlan

The Green Bay Packers !

[Pugger]

If Robert E. "Bob" Harlan was an idiot!?

What does that say for the Green Bay Packers Organization?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Harlan

The Green Bay Packers !

Okay, if you're gonna split hairs let's say he was idiotic giving Sherman both the GM and HC jobs. Sheesh.

[woodbuck27]

Okay, if you're gonna split hairs let's say he was idiotic giving Sherman both the GM and HC jobs. Sheesh.

That's alot better. I see it this way. Bob Harlan made a mistake. Anyone who makes a mistake shouldn't be framed with a tattoo like judgement. I cannot ever accept that the Chairman of the Green Bay Packers should deserve such a label, Pugger.

In any final analysis. It comes down to the Green Bay Packers Organization and 'no other person (s)'.

The GREEN BAY PACKERS !

[Pugger]

That's alot better. I see it this way. Bob Harlan made a mistake. Anyone who makes a mistake shouldn't be framed with a tattoo like judgement. I cannot ever accept that the Chairman of the Green Bay Packers should deserve such a label, Pugger.

In any final analysis. It comes down to the Green Bay Packers Organization and 'no other person (s)'.

The GREEN BAY PACKERS !

I think you are the only one who thought I was calling Harlan an idiot. But he WAS an idiot when he gave Sherman the GM job but that doesn't label him as such. I would imagine we all do idiotic things at times but that doesn't make us idiots.

[woodbuck27]

I think you are the only one who thought I was calling Harlan an idiot. But he WAS an idiot when he gave Sherman the GM job but that doesn't label him as such. I would imagine we all do idiotic things at times but that doesn't make us idiots.

Do you recall that song and some lyrics that go something like:

"Spin ... go round ... in circles" by Doctor Hook?

It's OK if you feel that way about Bob Harlan. I simply disagree. He errored making Mike Sherman GM and HC.

PACKERS !