Packers Still Too Soft

[Fritz]

Yeah, I know you were talking to rb... I was just messin' with ya

As for Raji, my preference would be to play him exclusively at 5 in a rotation, and then use him as an interior rusher in the nickel and dime. Even fresh he's not a very good 2-gap player, and I wouldn't want to play him in such a way that his greatest strength is negated - which is exactly what Capers does.

As he wears down over the course of the season, he loses his explosiveness to penetrate, and our top 10 draft pick from 4 years ago is completely neutralized. As I've said, if I were going to draw up a gameplan with the intent of neutralizing Raji, I do exactly what Capers is doing.

I don't think Capers could do a worse job of designing gameplans that seek to take advantage of the strengths of the players he's been given. If I were Raji, I wouldn't even negotiate with the Packers, I'd be counting the days until I hit FA.

Here's the scariest three paragraphs I've read in awhile. These come from McGinn's article this morning on what he sees as a dire need on the defensive line:

"Ryan Pickett, 33, and entering his 13th season, is nearing the end. He reported two weeks ago overweight and out of shape.

"B.J. Raji will be entering his contract year, but you sure wouldn't have known it by his conditioning. He has looked as sloppy as Pickett, and at this juncture his employment beyond this season is uncertain.

"The coaches have seen Johnny Jolly, too, and he's every bit as beefy as the others. For Jolly to have any chance to contribute after three silent seasons, he needed to report in tiptop shape so he could focus on football. That didn't happen, not by a long shot."


What the hell???

[3irty1]

Here's the scariest three paragraphs I've read in awhile. These come from McGinn's article this morning on what he sees as a dire need on the defensive line:

"Ryan Pickett, 33, and entering his 13th season, is nearing the end. He reported two weeks ago overweight and out of shape.

"B.J. Raji will be entering his contract year, but you sure wouldn't have known it by his conditioning. He has looked as sloppy as Pickett, and at this juncture his employment beyond this season is uncertain.

"The coaches have seen Johnny Jolly, too, and he's every bit as beefy as the others. For Jolly to have any chance to contribute after three silent seasons, he needed to report in tiptop shape so he could focus on football. That didn't happen, not by a long shot."


What the hell???

I wouldn't freak out just yet. McGinn has made a career of selling opinions, rumors, and the occasional quarter truth as facts. He does so by implying he has inside info but never can get quotes that say quite what he wants. Even if he was a credible journalist, there is a history of the organization feeding him shit right before the draft which appears to be a smokescreen for their real intentions.

[rbaloha1]

I wouldn't freak out just yet. McGinn has made a career of selling opinions, rumors, and the occasional quarter truth as facts. He does so by implying he has inside info but never can get quotes that say quite what he wants. Even if he was a credible journalist, there is a history of the organization feeding him shit right before the draft which appears to be a smokescreen for their real intentions.

Dude, the guy has way more cred than you. Your cronies kissing your behind to satisfy your ego does not count. Who do you think you are?

The d-line needs big time help and your continual bs does not mean there is not a problem.

[pbmax]

Chris Ault the father of the pistol is a consultant next year for the niners.

Unsure where you learned about the option but my coaches always preached about stopping the dive because then you limit the option. The niners sometimes have a slot act as a pitchman or CK can drop back to pass which presents many problems. Gore averaging over 5 plus yards on simple dive plays is not the way to play the option.

The key to the option on defense is dictating where the ball goes then swarming to the ball. The problem with read and react is the offense has the upper hand in dictating where the ball goes. IMO a big no no.

I have played both styles against the option and disciplined one gap with everyone on the same page imo is the best way to play the option. Its not easy against the line like the niners so the packers better find the combination of players and schemes which is currently an issue imo.

If the threats are not equal, then I agree about dictating or forcing the offense to the choice you prefer. But Kapernick is the far scarier option. Gore averaging 5 per carry nearly lost the 49ers the game versus the Falcons and it won the game for the Ravens. Each team refused to let CK outside with the ball.

[rbaloha1]

If the threats are not equal, then I agree about dictating or forcing the offense to the choice you prefer. But Kapernick is the far scarier option. Gore averaging 5 per carry nearly lost the 49ers the game versus the Falcons and it won the game for the Ravens. Each team refused to let CK outside with the ball.

I am not going to respond to your crap anymore since you do not understand the number one thing to control any option IS CONTROLLING THE DIVE. Your stuff just shows you never put on the jock strap.

Aloha

[Patler]

I wouldn't freak out just yet. McGinn has made a career of selling opinions, rumors, and the occasional quarter truth as facts. He does so by implying he has inside info but never can get quotes that say quite what he wants. Even if he was a credible journalist, there is a history of the organization feeding him shit right before the draft which appears to be a smokescreen for their real intentions.

Yup, and he sucks in readers who bow to everything he writes rather than discerning what is factually based and what is just idle gossip.

[rbaloha1]

Yup, and he sucks in readers who bow to everything he writes rather than discerning what is factually based and what is just idle gossip.

bmcginn@journalsentinel.com

[pbmax]

Dude, the guy has way more cred than you. Your cronies kissing your behind to satisfy your ego does not count. Who do you think you are?

The d-line needs big time help and your continual bs does not mean there is not a problem.

No one denies there is still a problem in the front seven and its now concentrated on run D. But McGinn's smallsoft suffers from terrible data (players who started on the D line, base or pass rush are among the bigger lines in the League not the smallest-the smallness is in the backend and backups), the Packers might have too many short DL but they were brought in specifically for pass rush, and last is that McGinn's point is either vanishingly small (Pack D soft against Vikes and 49ers) or ridiculously broad (Packers played less than inspired against the run for 2 years, problem is players, scheme and D Coord).

To me, the varied results suggest the problem is far more nuanced than "they are weak, small and soft and must all go for larger, tougher, harder players". Because everything is a tradeoff in the League and the number of times you get a player who can do it all (top of first round pick plus mistakes that fall far lower than they should have) is usually once or twice per year.

And that means you need to target a specific remedy that can be accomplished without trading into the Top 10 of a draft.

[rbaloha1]

bmcginn@journalsentinel.com

[3irty1]

Yup, and he sucks in readers who bow to everything he writes rather than discerning what is factually based and what is just idle gossip.

I think you're just trying to earn an Aloha like pbmax. Lucky bastard.

[rbaloha1]

I think you're just trying to earn an Aloha like pbmax. Lucky bastard.

bmcginn@journalsentinel.com

[pbmax]

I am not going to respond to your crap anymore since you do not understand the number one thing to control any option IS CONTROLLING THE DIVE. Your stuff just shows you never put on the jock strap.

Aloha

You have me there. I did not wear just a jock strap, I wore the entire cup. I played DE in a 4-4 in high school. I had the QB in most cases and if I tried to stop the dive the coach would have grabbed my face mask, thrown a basketball at me and called me homophobic slurs

I think you do not understand the point of the option the Packers face. The offense does not block one player and they present the QB as a viable running threat. That changes the usual calculus of 11 defenders versus 10 offensive players back to the Offense's advantage. If the unblocked player chooses poorly, then there is an empty gap to run through as the QB chooses to hand or keep the ball to the player in a position to hit that hole. And that is how Gore gains 5 yards a pop on a simple, used to be ineffective dive play against the Falcons and Ravens.

Stopping the dive play is the first thing you do only because its the first option presented. Or you are an interior defender.

[rbaloha1]

bmcginn@journalsentinel.com

[pbmax]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Inside this article: http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packe...204614021.html

is this quote from Bob McGinn:

They've been decimated by injury in two of the last three years, and it was only because of the collective skill and toughness of players and coaches that the Packers were able to win the Super Bowl after the 2010 season.

So they are soft. Except for those who are tough and won a Super Bowl despite injuries.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Maybe McGinn's going soft?