Jones got starter money without ever really being a starter, except as spot duty. He is the highest paid of the ILBs, isn't he?
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He did start 10 games last year, and was 3rd on the team in tackles. Would have been 2nd if he'd started all year. Not bad for a guy who had just switched positions. Apparently the Packers liked what they saw, and think he will get better. Hawk still makes more than Jones though.Originally posted by Guiness View PostJones got starter money without ever really being a starter, except as spot duty. He is the highest paid of the ILBs, isn't he?I can't run no more
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Don't know what to make of this... it's either the injury, or he's been grumbling about Capers, ala Woodson. Bishop wasn't a world beater by any means, but at least he was tough - maybe that's what turns TT off about him??
No matter what, it seems painfully obvious that TT is committed to mediocrity at ILB. Jones is just a slug - next play he makes will be his first.wist
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I recall reading sometime last year that Jones had really found his place in the middle and played quite well.
Still a shocker about Bishop though. Apparently all the rumors around draft time were true.Busting drunk drivers in Antarctica since 2006
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TT is hoping for a trade.Originally posted by Pugger View PostIf these reports about Bishop and the Packers parting ways is true what is the holdup? Unless he is still hurting I would think he would have been traded or released by now ala Woodson.** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
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My first reaction was kind of the opposite: why announce you're cutting ties with Bishop in June, why not wait until training camp and see what he's capable of? The only reasons not to wait until camp are (a) they know they don't want him as a starter even if his rehab went well; (b) they are pretty certain he will be a re-injury risk and don't want to take the chance that he blows out the tendon in camp and then they're liable for his 2013 salary. If I had to bet I would say it is (b).Originally posted by Pugger View PostIf these reports about Bishop and the Packers parting ways is true what is the holdup? Unless he is still hurting I would think he would have been traded or released by now ala Woodson.
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I thought the Draft day rumors of trying to move Bishop might just be that - rumors. Now this. Two things come to mind as to why the Packers are looking to dump Bishop and they've already been covered - Injury or salary. I'm guessing the two might play into each other. If he's still hurt or can't go 100% - why pay him to sit.
Bishop is a thumper, something the Packers lack, considerably. Woodson liked to lay the wood and Collins would make a big hit here and there. Two of those three are gone with Bishop on his way out the door. I can't think of anyone else on the current roster that will strike fear, except maybe CMIII.
Packers need some thugs.
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If they are looking to move Bishop, I'd be hoping for a trade too, but what's a ILB that tore a pretty significant tendon and didn't cover that well prior to the injury worth.Originally posted by woodbuck27 View PostTT is hoping for a trade.
As Packer fans, we see our players worth alot more than what everyone else does. Hell, give me a couple drinks, and I'll tell ya Jarret Bush is worth at least a 2nd rounder from his special team skills alone.
IMO, Bishop is worth nothing unless he comes to TC and lights it up - but if he does, why trade him. The Packers must be dead set on getting rid of Bishop. If he's released and can play, he'll be in purple - no doubt about that.
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It seems to me if your correct. Desmond Bishop would have been already released. I believe that TT is ethical (he cannot be traded unless checked out as a limited risk) and yet TT see's value in Desmond Bishop. If a decent trade possibility came up for DB... then TT would consider such.Originally posted by hoosier View PostMy first reaction was kind of the opposite: why announce you're cutting ties with Bishop in June, why not wait until training camp and see what he's capable of? The only reasons not to wait until camp are (a) they know they don't want him as a starter even if his rehab went well; (b) they are pretty certain he will be a re-injury risk and don't want to take the chance that he blows out the tendon in camp and then they're liable for his 2013 salary. If I had to bet I would say it is (b).
Otherwise... TT's hoping for some movement in terms of Desmond Bishop's salary coming back to the Green Bay Packers.
When is Desmond Bishop's $3.46 million$ due?
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I just looked at Jones and Bishop's stats and well.. they're pretty comparable.
I think someone here said it best, Bishop couldn't afford to loose a step and he probably has, which makes him expendable.
I don't understand there are people out there who are acting like Jones is just God awful. I didn't have high expectations for him last year, but he didn't seem to play too bad. I wouldn't call our Inside Linebacking core a strength of this team, but it's not going to get you beat week in and week out.
I definitely don't see this as odd. The packers have released guys this early time and time again. Usually we're praising them for letting the guy have a chance to get on with another team before the season starts.- Once again, adding absolutely nothing to the conversation.
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If indeed we wanted to trade him it is probably too late for that now. If I were a GM of a team in need a of LBer why would I now make a deal with TT when I can get him for 'free' if I wait? I too suspect we're either trying to renegotiate with Bishop and his agent or he isn't yet 100% so we are waiting until he is before we waive him.
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If the situation is where it's rumored to be with the Packers wanting to either trade him or make him take a reduced a salary in order to remain with the team to keep his cap number in line, couldn't that also indicate that they have some other guys, perhaps Terrell Manning, Sam Barrington, Robert Francois, Jamari Lattimore that they are comfortable moving forward with?
For somewhat different reasons, but still related to money/health, the Pack let Greg Jennings walk, but I get in this case it's not about re-signing, but about reducing the cap number. In both cases the team seems comfortable with who they have competing at that position. They even got rid of D.J. Smith, who, while not a fantastic player, was serviceable. I think others have pointed out on the board that Packers seem less willing to wait around on certain injured players, obviously and especially when they have a higher cap number."Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." -Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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I personally had a load of hope that having a healthy Desmond Bishop back would make us more imposing in the front seven. Thus this (rumor... still) surprizes me. I think other Packer fans are having a similar take.Originally posted by Smeefers View PostI just looked at Jones and Bishop's stats and well.. they're pretty comparable.
I think someone here said it best, Bishop couldn't afford to loose a step and he probably has, which makes him expendable.
I don't understand there are people out there who are acting like Jones is just God awful. I didn't have high expectations for him last year, but he didn't seem to play too bad. I wouldn't call our Inside Linebacking core a strength of this team, but it's not going to get you beat week in and week out.
I definitely don't see this as odd. The packers have released guys this early time and time again. Usually we're praising them for letting the guy have a chance to get on with another team before the season starts.
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