Packers To Part Ways With Bishop?

[Packers4Glory]

hopefully Jones is just keeping the spot warm for a few weeks until someone is ready to step in and make a true impact.

[denverYooper]

I think people here might be underselling Jones just a tad.

[run pMc]

Hard to make an impact from sideline. Bishop tweaked his hamstring muscle while rehabbing his surgically repaired tendon. That is why he couldn't go at OTAs. I think Jones will be able to rush QB from inside, not sure about forced fumbles. Bishop had 5 of each last full season I believe. But let's not forget, Bishop was part and parcel of the worst Packer defense in, what, 20, 30 years? He's a part and not irreplaceable.

I admit I'm not a fan of dumping Bishop, but I have to agree with you...when I heard about the 'tweaking' of his leg, that probably was an indication Bishop is overselling, and rightfully so: he wants his job back (and a paycheck). Also, if he can't get/stay healthy, which he's not (yet), he can't play or practice and he's not as valueable as Jones or Hawk in that regard. The cap relief is probably not as important as his health/availability and his impact on locker room chemistry -- I suspect his unhappiness in the past at sitting behind Barnett played into this. Nobody knows (except Bishop and his trainer) if he can run anymore, and he likely can't cover as well as Jones can.

I don't necessarily have a problem with releasing Bishop; but overpaying Jones, not drafting any ILB'er help, not signing (of course) any ILB'er help, and releasing Bishop... all of that combined is just mind-numbing.

Oh, I don't know. They have Manning from last year and drafted Barrington this year. They also have Francois. Don't recall if Lattimore is ILB or OLB, but assuming he's OLB that's still 5 players for two ILB spots.

Looks like I'm trying to talk myself into being ok with this. My feeling is that TT is releasing him a year early, but I think ultimately it's the right call. Can't see Minny signing him -- Finley, Pettigrew, and a host of TE's would eat him alive down the seam in their Cover-2 scheme. They let Brinkley go, and he was a sledgehammer...I have doubts Bishop would be an upgrade in that defense. Someone will pick him up quick...Ravens, Raiders, etc.

[pbmax]

Jones will be the dime linebacker, no doubt about that now. He has a lot of room to improve after being serviceable on 1st and 2nd down. That is where someone could claim a job.

[Smidgeon]

A few years back, I was high on three players who I thought were underappreciated or hadn't yet had an opportunity to shine. Quinn Johnson, Andrew Quarless, and Brad Jones.

I liked what Q "The Hammer" Johnson brought, but he wasn't effective enough to stick in a non-run heavy offense. He's currently blocking for Chris "Ima gonna get 3000 yards this year...in 10 games" Johnson.

I still like Quarless and his skill set. He isn't quite Finley talented, but he's in the next tier, and I'm still interested to see what he can do.

I was impressed with Brad Jones as a rookie. He stepped in for Kampman when he tore his ACL and put up 4 sacks from the OLB position as a rookie opposite Matthews. In fact, there was one game where both rookies at the OLB had 2 sacks apiece. I thought that was pretty spectacular and expected better things from Jones. Then...he kind of disappeared. So I didn't know what to expect. And the position shuffle is usually an opportunity for a player to not get cut. So I was surprised when he came in as a third MLB last year. And to be honest, I still don't know what to expect. I've grown less and less expectant about him after his rookie year. So who knows.

[woodbuck27]

A few years back, I was high on three players who I thought were underappreciated or hadn't yet had an opportunity to shine. Quinn Johnson, Andrew Quarless, and Brad Jones.

I liked what Q "The Hammer" Johnson brought, but he wasn't effective enough to stick in a non-run heavy offense. He's currently blocking for Chris "Ima gonna get 3000 yards this year...in 10 games" Johnson.

I still like Quarless and his skill set. He isn't quite Finley talented, but he's in the next tier, and I'm still interested to see what he can do.

I was impressed with Brad Jones as a rookie. He stepped in for Kampman when he tore his ACL and put up 4 sacks from the OLB position as a rookie opposite Matthews. In fact, there was one game where both rookies at the OLB had 2 sacks apiece. I thought that was pretty spectacular and expected better things from Jones. Then...he kind of disappeared. So I didn't know what to expect. And the position shuffle is usually an opportunity for a player to not get cut. So I was surprised when he came in as a third MLB last year. And to be honest, I still don't know what to expect. I've grown less and less expectant about him after his rookie year. So who knows.

This has come up before I believe but all the same I'll post it, for what it may be worth!?:

http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2013/5/24/4361842/packers-brad-jones-staying-at-inside-linebacker

Why the Packers Will Keep Linebacker Brad Jones Inside

By Evan "Tex" Western on May 24 2013, 11:00 AM  @TexWestern

" Pro Football Focus named Jones the team's "Secret Superstar" for 2012, and I can't find a fault with that assessment. He came out of obscurity to become the team's most complete inside linebacker..." Fr. LINK

Comment woodbuck27:

Many Packer fans have disagreed with this observation; yet somehow Ted Thompson doesn't. It'll simply be an interesting watch for me.

GO PACKERS !

[RashanGary]

Why the Packers Will Keep Linebacker Brad Jones Inside

By Evan "Tex" Western on May 24 2013, 11:00 AM  @TexWestern

" Pro Football Focus named Jones the team's "Secret Superstar" for 2012, and I can't find a fault with that assessment. He came out of obscurity to become the team's most complete inside linebacker..." Fr. LINK

Comment woodbuck27:

Many Packer fans have disagreed with this observation; yet somehow Ted Thompson doesn't. It'll simply be an interesting watch for me.

GO PACKERS !

I'm interested too. Just at a glance, I like his ability to cover like a safety yet play linebacker like a linebacker. In a league where wins and losses are determined so much by match ups, it's nice to have a guy who can match up against RBs who can also pose as passing weapons.

I also think he has some untapped pass rush talent. His college tape was pretty impressive as a pass rusher. I want to say he had 5 sacks in 10 games or so as a rookie too.

I'm curious to see how he does. I have some hope.

[bobblehead]

I was once very high on Chillar, even saying he was the answer opposite Clay. They tried to use the weird package where he played big safety and it was mixed, then he tore a hammy and goodnight Irene. I feel very much the same about Jones. I see most of the same skills and weakness. He is better vs. the pass as both rusher and cover guy, and serviceable vs. the run, but definately not good enough yet. I just hope he doesn't tear a hammy.

[The Shadow]

The lesson here?
The Packers view the 49ers & Seahawks as the teams they must cope with - and quicker, flowing linebackers play into that (altho Hawk is a bit puzzling).
The Falcons, with Steven jackson, & the Vikings, with Peterson, must not be viewed of as much of a threat.
I think we may see a lot of Jones & Manning this year in 2nd & long, & 3rd & long situations.

[woodbuck27]

I don't necessarily have a problem with releasing Bishop; but overpaying Jones, not drafting any ILB'er help, not signing (of course) any ILB'er help, and releasing Bishop... all of that combined is just mind-numbing.

I see ILB as a completely dead position for us, and wanted to address it in one way or another - and wouldn't have even minded going small, ala Arthur Brown. The guy I really wanted in there was Sio Moore.

If not seeking an upgrade thru a couple of guys like that, my 2nd option would have been to take a bigger guy that might have been able to make the move. Any which way, I wanted more speed, or toughness, or flexibility, or something - anything, that might have been able to give us a different look there that could be schemed to take advantage of. As it is, we're so pedestrian at the position that we might as well go ahead and cut 'em all, save the cap space, and throw some bartenders in there.

I fear Capers is having a lot of say in personnel decisions - and that can only serve to hurt our defense even after he's fired.

" I see ILB as a completely dead position for us, and wanted to address it in one way or another - and wouldn't have even minded going small, ala Arthur Brown. The guy I really wanted in there was ** Sio Moore. " wist43

** The Oakland Raiders chose Sio Moore ( 6' - 1" - 245 lbs ... out of Connecticut) in the third round, pick #66 overall in the 2013 NFL Draft. Sio Moore played for the Connecticut Huskies football team from 2008 to 2012.

Sio Moore totaled 274 tackles, 16 quarterback sacks and four interceptions. Following his senior season in 2012, he was a first-team All-Big East Conference selection, and was invited to play in both the East-West Shrine Game and the Senior Bowl.


ILB Arthur Brown a 6'-0" 241 lb LB. played college football for Kansas State University, and earned All-American honors. The Baltimore Ravens chose him in the second round of the 2013 NFL Draft (#56 pick overall).

Arthur Brown was a highly recruited Univ. of Miami Hurricanes xfer to KSU in 2010. He made an instant impact aa a Kansas State Wildcat, as he had 95 tackles, 2 sacks and 1 interception. In the 2012 season, Brown won the 2012 Big 12 Conference Defensive Player of the Year award (91 T's, 2 picks (one was returned for a touchdown), six TFL and one sack).

PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

I'm interested too. Just at a glance, I like his ability to cover like a safety yet play linebacker like a linebacker. In a league where wins and losses are determined so much by match ups, it's nice to have a guy who can match up against RBs who can also pose as passing weapons.

I also think he has some untapped pass rush talent. His college tape was pretty impressive as a pass rusher. I want to say he had 5 sacks in 10 games or so as a rookie too.

I'm curious to see how he does. I have some hope.

Ted Thompson and Dom Capers must have a lot of hope in him.

PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

I admit I'm not a fan of dumping Bishop, but I have to agree with you...when I heard about the 'tweaking' of his leg, that probably was an indication Bishop is overselling, and rightfully so: he wants his job back (and a paycheck). Also, if he can't get/stay healthy, which he's not (yet), he can't play or practice and he's not as valueable as Jones or Hawk in that regard. The cap relief is probably not as important as his health/availability and his impact on locker room chemistry -- I suspect his unhappiness in the past at sitting behind Barnett played into this. Nobody knows (except Bishop and his trainer) if he can run anymore, and he likely can't cover as well as Jones can.



Oh, I don't know. They have Manning from last year and drafted Barrington this year. They also have Francois. Don't recall if Lattimore is ILB or OLB, but assuming he's OLB that's still 5 players for two ILB spots.

Looks like I'm trying to talk myself into being ok with this. My feeling is that TT is releasing him a year early, but I think ultimately it's the right call. Can't see Minny signing him -- Finley, Pettigrew, and a host of TE's would eat him alive down the seam in their Cover-2 scheme. They let Brinkley go, and he was a sledgehammer...I have doubts Bishop would be an upgrade in that defense. Someone will pick him up quick...Ravens, Raiders, etc.

I haven't checked for any update on Desmond Bishop as I make this post. Where might he land?

The Baltimore Ravens are making a lot of the what seems like right moves on 'D'. I'm thinking that other teams are more likely to seriously look at D. Bishop. I'm not at all optimistic in a prediction that he'll end up in Minny. It looks like their GM is almost shadowing the style of TT. I can't imagine it not being any more complicated then simply placing a call to Ted Thompson for a heads up. To examine the real risks.

Teams know that Ted Thompson is smart/honest. That TT thought seriously about the value in D. Bishop; or the trade rumor talk at draft time wouldn't have surfaced. The longer that window of opportunity stayed open... the more hard shut it would become. It had to get too time to release.

Releasing D. Bishop might be a simply attached to the Packers CAP space. It's obvious that TT need's CAP space with so many solid and growing Packers poised to possibly leave Green Bay.

GO PACK GO !

[3irty1]

I don't necessarily have a problem with releasing Bishop; but overpaying Jones, not drafting any ILB'er help, not signing (of course) any ILB'er help, and releasing Bishop... all of that combined is just mind-numbing.

I see ILB as a completely dead position for us, and wanted to address it in one way or another - and wouldn't have even minded going small, ala Arthur Brown. The guy I really wanted in there was Sio Moore.

If not seeking an upgrade thru a couple of guys like that, my 2nd option would have been to take a bigger guy that might have been able to make the move. Any which way, I wanted more speed, or toughness, or flexibility, or something - anything, that might have been able to give us a different look there that could be schemed to take advantage of. As it is, we're so pedestrian at the position that we might as well go ahead and cut 'em all, save the cap space, and throw some bartenders in there.

I fear Capers is having a lot of say in personnel decisions - and that can only serve to hurt our defense even after he's fired.

Why Arthur Brown? He doesn't seem to fit what you're about at all. He was the centerpiece of an amazing defense in college even in college he didn't have many impact plays.

[MadScientist]

I haven't checked for any update on Desmond Bishop as I make this post. Where might he land?

The Baltimore Ravens are making a lot of the what seems like right moves on 'D'. I'm thinking that other teams are more likely to seriously look at D. Bishop. I'm not at all optimistic in a prediction that he'll end up in Minny. It looks like their GM is almost shadowing the style of TT. I can't imagine it not being any more complicated then simply placing a call to Ted Thompson for a heads up. To examine the real risks.

Releasing D. Bishop might be a simply attached to the Packers CAP space. It's obvious that TT need's CAP space with so many solid and growing Packers poised to possibly leave Green Bay.

GO PACK GO !

He is visiting MN and from Rastak's comments during the draft MN has nothing for MLB, so it makes sense for them to kick the tires on Bishop. Their GM is shadowing TT - by picking up everyone TT casts off.

Cap was a significant factor but I think the injury pushed the Packers to cut him now rather than bring him into camp. I wonder if they hadn't had to do the Rodgers and Mathews contracts, would Bishop still be on the team.

[Pugger]

I too wonder just how healthy that hammy is. We aren't exactly overflowing with ILBers so there must be more to this than is being reported.