Bad locker room in Miami?

[George Cumby]

Great post of the timeline and analyzing certain aspects. To me I simply look at history (a habit I have if you read in FYI). Richie is a DICK! No other way to put it. Is martin too soft? Maybe, but I doubt he has any real problems on a team like the packers....we still know richie is a dick, so based on their history I am tending to side with Martin on this.

This.

Most of us, myself included, have formulated opinions, jumped to conclusions or straight up speculated based on the little and incomplete information we have at our disposal. Our ability to discern the facts clearly is hampered by the incessant barrage of misinformation, inane babble and vomitus fired upon us by the media.

Yoop brings up a really good point about how the dolphins have managed this debacle. At every turn they have taken the wrong fork in the road. It's like a drunken Mr. Magoo is driving their bus. It really is uncanny how badly they have handled this thing.

[Guiness]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...7389--nfl.html

Just another person in support of an evil bigot that picked on "Big Weirdo"

That is an interesting article, and adds to the list of confusing things about this whole story.

I take two things from this article - one, that Martin was not fitting in, and not just because of Incognito. Two - that the coaching staff told other players to do something about it. My guess is Incognito took that to heart, and practiced some 'tough love' which went too far when exposed to the public eye. I think the coaching staff ends up largely being at fault here, as I said earlier, they released the Kraken ignorant of the possible effects.

[Upnorth]

This whole thing reminds me of one guy in one unit I was posted to. Big guy, been around for a long time, was an okay worker and knowledgeable, but sucked at real leadership. When he didn't get his way so long as no one of higher rank was around he tried to intimidate by raising voice and getting in your space. He had me flummoxed for the first few months while I tried to be his friend, much like martin. The way he turned on a dime from friend to bully really messed with me till I just started to turn my back on him in the middle of his bs. At first he called me a lot of names and shit, but it eventually stopped. One thing that bugged me was no one else he did this to followed suit.
I may be projecting my personal into the scenario but I see incognito as trying to control his group and be the alpha, martin not buying his bs and being ostracized. Incognito targeting martin makes everything easier for everyone else and them not noticing the tension rise since theirs has been reduced.
When shit hits the fan no one knows what was really going on. Martin should have reported it right away but on a team no wants to rock the boat right out of the gate and then it became a habit

[woodbuck27]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/08/poll-of-players-suggests-most-wouldnt-want-incognito-as-a-teammate/

Poll of players suggests most wouldn’t want Incognito as a teammate

Posted by Michael David Smith on November 8, 2013, 3:52 PM EST

" ESPN asked 72 players (three per team on 24 teams) whom they would rather have as a teammate, Incognito or Jonathan Martin. Only 15 said Incognito, while 34 said Martin and 23 said they wouldn’t want either one of them as a teammate. "

[Harlan Huckleby]

Poll of players suggests most wouldn’t want Incognito as a teammate

A poll? Fascinating idea.

[pbmax]

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2013/11/incognito-violated-nfl-policy-before-with-no-sanctions.html

According to the victim, Incognito used his golf club to touch her by rubbing it up against her vagina, then up her stomach then to her chest. He then used the club to knock sunglasses off the top of her head. After that, he proceeded to lean up against her buttocks with his private parts as if dancing, saying "Let it rain. Let it rain." He finally finished by emptying a bottled water on her face.

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolph...#storylink=cpy

Dolphins' Joe Philbin says they took care of this in-house.

[pbmax]

Why are we focusing only on the racism aspect of this? It is about much more than just racism.

Because apparently that's the only thing people consider offensive.

It is the most sensational charge and the one most easily contested in this case so far.

But without the racial remarks I would doubt whether Incognito is off the team right now. I don't think it changes who he is or the internal problems that led to this, but I think the Dolphins give themselves more time to react.

[woodbuck27]

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolph...sanctions.html



Dolphins' Joe Philbin says they took care of this in-house.

What a pile of crap. What did Incognito do next?

Birdie the next hole?

[pbmax]

What a pile of crap. What did Incognito do next?

Birdie the next hole?

Groped the bird at the next hole more likely.

[red]

so with almost all of richies teammates coming out to say how great of a guy he is i guess i'm left wondering if incognito has infected the team with his way of thinking

do young guys on that team now think its ok to grope a woman at a team functioned even and treat their teammates like lower than life piles of shit because they saw richie do it with what looks like the support of the team?

we all wanted to be and act like someone who was older than us when we were kids, and well these are kids in adults bodies. is there some rookie or so seeing this happened and thinking

"Oh man, did you just see richie dog that weird fuck. yeah fuck him, he is weird. Ima do that too, cause that shits cool. now lets go rape some drunk bitches and drive around all fucked up"

[red]

wow, the incognito interview just turned the whole thing on its head IMO

plus he gave Jay his phone so he could read all the texts on there. jay says it was very back and forth and all in good fun. then the last text from martin came after this whole thing blew up and he's saying he doesn't blame richie for anything, and its not him thats telling the media this stuff

very weird. then all the fox guys seemed to agree with incognito

if anything, this whole mess just shows how detached from society you're average NFL players really is

[KYPack]

wow, the incognito interview just turned the whole thing on its head IMO

plus he gave Jay his phone so he could read all the texts on there. jay says it was very back and forth and all in good fun. then the last text from martin came after this whole thing blew up and he's saying he doesn't blame richie for anything, and its not him thats telling the media this stuff

very weird. then all the fox guys seemed to agree with incognito

if anything, this whole mess just shows how detached from society you're average NFL players really is

What did he say, Red?

I was busy on the leaf pile.

[MJZiggy]

wow, the incognito interview just turned the whole thing on its head IMO

plus he gave Jay his phone so he could read all the texts on there. jay says it was very back and forth and all in good fun. then the last text from martin came after this whole thing blew up and he's saying he doesn't blame richie for anything, and its not him thats telling the media this stuff

very weird. then all the fox guys seemed to agree with incognito

if anything, this whole mess just shows how detached from society you're average NFL players really is

all I could think was that if the whole world is jumping down Incognito's throat for this, and it's not his doing, then Martin has a responsibility to speak up about it. The man's getting tossed off his team. If he didn't do what he's accused of, that's the least Martin could do.

[red]

What did he say, Red?

I was busy on the leaf pile.

it was a long interview, but richie pretty much said it was a friendly back and forth between the two for a very long time. he also said that whole o-line group talks that way to each other all the time.

its worth looking for the video online, it was a fox interview

[Tony Oday]

But he is an evil bigot bully!!!!