Bad locker room in Miami?

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racially themed threats left by incognito via text message and voice mail

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/jonathan-martin-richie-incognito-racially-charged-texts-voicemails-miami-dolphins-nflpa-investigation

[Patler]

It must have been extreme for a guy to react like he did and feel he had to leave the premises. Philbin has a big mess on his hands and he didn't handle it well at all. I can't imagine Joe had no clue this kind of crap wasn't going on.

Ya, Philbin could be in trouble.

I've been trying to remember, there was a story several years ago about one of the Packer assistants who had a severe speech impediment as a child (stuttering??), and my recollection is that it was Philbin. Does anyone else remember the article? If it was Philbin, you would think he might be more intuned to harassment/bullying issues, because he probably experienced them as well.

[pbmax]

Based on what little that can be gleaned from this, I can't imagine Martin can return to that team. Nor can I imagine that Philbin can succeed as coach. If the league has to step in on something which should have been handled internally, I think he's lost that locker room.

I don't know. If Martin doesn't come forward with specifics (that it does now look like he has provided), no one else will do so. That leaves the team in the dark even if they know there is a player in trouble. Its a tough thing to look into if the primary source of info is clammed up.

Doesn't make them look very bright though. It should not have been outside of their power to make Martin feel comfortable enough to share the info earlier. But we don't know what he had previously told the team. In cases like this it always seems like people share only a portion of what they know even when in trouble.

[pbmax]

Ya, Philbin could be in trouble.

I've been trying to remember, there was a story several years ago about one of the Packer assistants who had a severe speech impediment as a child (stuttering??), and my recollection is that it was Philbin. Does anyone else remember the article? If it was Philbin, you would think he might be more intuned to harassment/bullying issues, because he probably experienced them as well.

Do you think there is a chance people take this plus his child's death and decide he isn't really capable of handling complex management tasks?

Because while I do get a great guy vibe from Philbin, esp. from those who liked him with the Packers, I also get a troubled sense as well. Though that might only be because of two very noticeable, public incidents.

If he wins like Andy Reid, I suspect most will forget.

[pbmax]

Lots of speculation and emoting going on in this thread. I'll just wait for the facts.

It's quite possible that the situation isn't as sensational as it warrants. Did Martin overreact? I guess we will know when the details come out.

However, since the Dolphins suspended Incognito indefinitely, I think they owe their fans at least a cursory explanation of why they took that action. They won't provide one, probably under orders from the NFL legal brass, so we just have to wait and hope that the league will do a better job on this one than they did in the "Bounty-gate" scandal.

I have some hope for this as it doesn't directly pit the Commissioner and one of his pet projects against common sense. But its early.

[Patler]

I don't know. If Martin doesn't come forward with specifics (that it does now look like he has provided), no one else will do so. That leaves the team in the dark even if they know there is a player in trouble. Its a tough thing to look into if the primary source of info is clammed up.

Doesn't make them look very bright though. It should not have been outside of their power to make Martin feel comfortable enough to share the info earlier. But we don't know what he had previously told the team. In cases like this it always seems like people share only a portion of what they know even when in trouble.

I did see a couple articles last week that mentioned Martin had complained to the team previously. What that means, I have no clue. I don't expect them to provide details, nor do I think they should. Yesterday, articles mentioned that on Sunday, Martins representatives made formal complaints to the team, and shortly thereafter Incognito was suspended. Again, I don't expect details to be provided.

It's a messed up situation. I would hope a coach has better insight into his locker room than to let something like this fester for a year and a half. I would also hope that team leaders would step in before something got out of control. Even if Martin was thin-skinned, he is a team mate, and a line should be drawn by team leaders to protect him from a complete breakdown as occured.

[Kiwon]

It must have been extreme for a guy to react like he did and feel he had to leave the premises. Philbin has a big mess on his hands and he didn't handle it well at all. I can't imagine Joe had no clue this kind of crap wasn't going on.

Maybe the supposed bullying was extreme.....or maybe Martin is emotionally unstable.

Sorry, I don't buy the racial accusations. Richie Incognito's been a pro for 9 years in a sport that is what, 60-70% African-American? If he's this horrible person how come we haven't heard of it before now? How come we haven't heard about his former teammates or coaches making the same charges in the past?

Bill Romanowski was confronted after his spitting incident. Riley Cooper was confronted after his video of the N-word. And so a dangerous racist bully would sneak through for 9 years? No, sorry, don't think so.

Black players hear the N-word and worse things from their Black teammates EVERY DAY in practice or in the game because that's their vanacular. Same with most lyrics in Hip-Hop.

The media would love to make it racial so it fits their favorite template but I would really be surprised if the charges of racial harassment are accurate.

[pbmax]

Well, the cost of living in Miami is higher than Green Bay (or St. Louis):

Report: Miami rookies 'ATMs' for vets

A $30,000 rookie dinner. Rookies paying for excursions to strip clubs. This is about to get stupid as every club club outing will be reported as an example of players out of control.

Didn't they just bring Bryant McKinnie to the team?

[pbmax]

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[Zool]

Maybe the supposed bullying was extreme.....or maybe Martin is emotionally unstable.

Sorry, I don't buy the racial accusations. Richie Incognito's been a pro for 9 years in a sport that is what, 60-70% African-American? If he's this horrible person how come we haven't heard of it before now? How come we haven't heard about his former teammates or coaches making the same charges in the past?

Bill Romanowski was confronted after his spitting incident. Riley Cooper was confronted after his video of the N-word. And so a dangerous racist bully would sneak through for 9 years? No, sorry, don't think so.

Black players hear the N-word and worse things from their Black teammates EVERY DAY in practice or in the game because that's their vanacular. Same with most lyrics in Hip-Hop.

The media would love to make it racial so it fits their favorite template but I would really be surprised if the charges of racial harassment are accurate.

We will probably find out soon enough. Apparently Martin has voice mails and texts with racial statements and said they wanted him to shell out $15k for a Vegas trip.

Is it not possible this happens all the time and someone finally had enough and came forward?

[Tony Oday]

Rookies have to pay for this until the next rookies come, have you ever been apart of a team? We had initiation in both Football in HS and Rugby in college. I didn't have to spend $15k but did pay a shot tab of $100 and in college that WAS $15k.

[pbmax]

Rookies have to pay for this until the next rookies come, have you ever been apart of a team? We had initiation in both Football in HS and Rugby in college. I didn't have to spend $15k but did pay a shot tab of $100 and in college that WAS $15k.

Were you at the bar and drinking shots or were you home paying for shots being drunk in Vegas?

[green_bowl_packer]

Fruit doesn't fall far from the tree

Is Richie Incognito's Dad Blasting Jonathan Martin On Message Boards?

http://deadspin.com/is-richie-incogn...n-m-1457997230

Update: Adam Beasley of the Miami Herald spoke to the FinsHeaven board administrator. idrd1994 registered with a date of birth of 12/14/1949, which matches Richie Incognito Sr.'s birthday.

[George Cumby]

I don't know. If Martin doesn't come forward with specifics (that it does now look like he has provided), no one else will do so. That leaves the team in the dark even if they know there is a player in trouble. Its a tough thing to look into if the primary source of info is clammed up.

Doesn't make them look very bright though. It should not have been outside of their power to make Martin feel comfortable enough to share the info earlier. But we don't know what he had previously told the team. In cases like this it always seems like people share only a portion of what they know even when in trouble.

My thought is the coaching staff should have a much better feel for what was going on than they apparently did. Not having that finger on the pulse of the team suggests a certain cluelessness which bodes not well.

More concerning for the team, IMO, is at least some of the players thought that this was acceptable, or at the very least, thought they could get away with treating a teammate (s) in such a shoddy fashion. This suggests a lack of accountability on the team. It suggests a lack of leadership. It suggests a lack of common purpose, of direction, again, of leadership. Again, that reflects poorly on Philbin.

But it's all speculation at this point, we'll see what comes out in the next few days.

[Tony Oday]

Were you at the bar and drinking shots or were you home paying for shots being drunk in Vegas?

I like to party and I like me Jesus to party.