Bad locker room in Miami?

[pbmax]

Whoa, Schefter has a (guessing partial) transcript of the voice mail:

Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 9m
1: Richie Incognito left this VM for Jonathan Martin in April 2013: "Hey, wassup, you half n----- piece of (expletive)...

Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 9m
2. More Incognito to Martin: "I saw you on Twitter, you been training ten weeks. (I want to) (expletive) in your (expl) mouth....

Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 9m
3. Incognito VM to Martin: "(I'm going to) slap your (expletive) mouth. (I'm going to) slap your real mother across the face (laughter).

Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 8m
4. Incognito to Martin, all on same VM in April 2013: "(Expletive) you, you're still a rookie. I'll kill you."

[pbmax]

Albert Breer @AlbertBreer 50m
Martin only turned over texts/vm's to parents Sat, then to NFL/Dolphins Sunday. As @MikeGarafolo said, racially charged comments in there.

Yeah, the kid was sitting on some of this stuff.

[Pugger]

Good God, this goes WAAAYYYY beyond hazing.

[green_bowl_packer]

sorry gbp for duplicating your post.

No worries pb, great minds think alike



I see a resemblance with Francis. !#$@ this Incognito guy - time wounds all heels.

Man, I can't wait for tonight!

[PA Pack Fan]

Maybe the supposed bullying was extreme.....or maybe Martin is emotionally unstable.

Sorry, I don't buy the racial accusations. Richie Incognito's been a pro for 9 years in a sport that is what, 60-70% African-American? If he's this horrible person how come we haven't heard of it before now? How come we haven't heard about his former teammates or coaches making the same charges in the past?

Bill Romanowski was confronted after his spitting incident. Riley Cooper was confronted after his video of the N-word. And so a dangerous racist bully would sneak through for 9 years? No, sorry, don't think so.

Black players hear the N-word and worse things from their Black teammates EVERY DAY in practice or in the game because that's their vanacular. Same with most lyrics in Hip-Hop.

The media would love to make it racial so it fits their favorite template but I would really be surprised if the charges of racial harassment are accurate.

WTF? Seriously?

[Tony Oday]

Herm Edwards and Mike Ditka spoke on this today.(Mike & Mike) Edwards acknowledged rookies "buying", but said that accounting for inflation food/salary this seems beyond the line. They both said that while the locker room belongs to the players, coaches know all that is going on because strength and training staffs hear conversations and talk with players daily. Anything over the line/detrimental to the team gets communicated to the HC.

Ditka said he would immediately step in to stop, without question, anything that could destroy team chemistry. He said the rule is as long as a player is a team member, he must be respected and treated as part of the team. (paraphrased)

Ditka said he would punch him in the face if someone tried to bully him.

If it was after camp then he shouldnt have to pay because that's the new rookies job.

[Guiness]

Sorry, I don't buy the racial accusations. Richie Incognito's been a pro for 9 years in a sport that is what, 60-70% African-American? If he's this horrible person how come we haven't heard of it before now? How come we haven't heard about his former teammates or coaches making the same charges in the past?

Actually, there's been quite a bit out there for a while. Generally regarded as one of the dirtiest players on the field (accused of jumping on piles late, scratching in piles). Kicked off two college teams I believe? Rams released him before his contract was up, Bills didn't resign him after 1 year. No shortage of trouble off the field either.

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and now the final nail has been driven home

dolphins announce they are done with congnito
what a piece of shit this guy is. and can the other guy actually come back to the team after all this? i would doubt it.

in a matter of days the phins just lost half their offensive line

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/04/report-dolphins-are-done-with-incognito/

[red]

josh brown, the giants kicker and a teammate of richie in college and in the pros really had some interesting things to say

“None of it shocks me,” Brown said, via the New York Daily News. “I don’t know any details obviously. The league hasn’t released anything. But Richie seems to be a person with a tortured soul. He’s had these issues for quite awhile and it’s sad.”

“he’s really got some demons that are out of the building.”

[hoosier]

and now the final nail has been driven home

dolphins announce they are done with congnito
what a piece of shit this guy is. and can the other guy actually come back to the team after all this? i would doubt it.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/04/report-lions-are-interested-in-incognito/

And the Lions are said to be poised to swoop in and claim him the moment he is cut.

[pbmax]

And here is how Incognito keeps working:

Jim Trotter @SI_JimTrotter 3h
Said one personnel man (who's not alone): "Instead of being a man and confronting him, (Martin) acted like a coward and told like a kid."

Jim Trotter @SI_JimTrotter 3h
Another: "Incognito is an A-Hole, however I'm pretty sure you would want him beside you if you are in a bar fight. Tough as nails."

Jim Trotter @SI_JimTrotter 3h
Also: "You handle it in house (fight, handle it on the field, joke about it, etc.) and keep it moving."


Amazing what some teams will put up with. Heard today Tony Dungy said they had Incognito down as "DND-C": Do Not Draft - Character. Piloi said NE didn't like him either.

Pioli also said KC feared Martin was very smart and too sensitive.

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and the media should be making a giant stink about what those personal men said, they should dig and find out who they are and their teams need to fire them

[Guiness]

and now the final nail has been driven home

dolphins announce they are done with congnito
what a piece of shit this guy is. and can the other guy actually come back to the team after all this? i would doubt it.

in a matter of days the phins just lost half their offensive line

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ith-incognito/

Pathetic part is how long it took anyone to act on it. This is like the bounty thing, everyone knows, nobody does anything than everyone acts shocked when the story comes out. Floria had it right, he's probably played his last NFL game, but that has a lot more to do with being a mediocre 30year old guard than anything else.

I'm actually wavering a bit on this now. What Incognito did was despicable...in civilized society. NFL players are pretty much outside of civilized society most of the time. KYPack mention 'big fat greasy fuckers picking on you' in an earlier post. Maybe if you can't tolerate that, you don't have a place in the NFL? I think Incognito exposed Martin, and his career is over as well.

[green_bowl_packer]

http://www.nfl.com/incognito

This is a pro-Incognito article that is a total joke and published on NFL website, written after the night club fight, and the preseason game fight with Smith as both are mentioned and blown off.

Pensive looking photo of him staring out at the ocean. Seems like a contract year PR puff piece making excuses for his past behavior and how he fixed it all - meditation CD's from Ricky Williams (blames self medicating with MJ prior to joining Miami, though his dad slammed Martin and Pouncey for the same), Depak Chopra 21 day meditation challenges, and a prescription for Paxil that was a miracle for him (allegedly). Total crock.

[pbmax]

Sounds like the Dad is as hurt and defensive as his son. He claims Martin shouldn't be believed because he uses drugs with Pouncey. But his son admitted this in the offseason:

Very few know how deep and dark it got for Richie Incognito, a man once voted by his peers as the NFL's dirtiest player, who couldn't manage his temper, who turned to marijuana for comfort, who had no idea how to find balance, on or off the field.

[and]

The truth is, after a decade of anger management issues and substance abuse nearly cost him his job in football, Incognito was actually on his way to finding it.

http://www.nfl.com/qs/__min/Incognito_Article_2/index.html