Bad locker room in Miami?

[denverYooper]

Rookies have to pay for this until the next rookies come, have you ever been apart of a team? We had initiation in both Football in HS and Rugby in college. I didn't have to spend $15k but did pay a shot tab of $100 and in college that WAS $15k.

Most people seem to be acknowledging the rookie tax and are fine with it. The problem here, from what I understand, is that it went well beyond that in terms of time and money. It'd be more like you paying $100 for shots, then $200 for a meal, $150 for a couple of hotel rooms on a different weekend, etc, etc.

[pbmax]

More concerning for the team, IMO, is at least some of the players thought that this was acceptable, or at the very least, thought they could get away with treating a teammate (s) in such a shoddy fashion. This suggests a lack of accountability on the team. It suggests a lack of leadership. It suggests a lack of common purpose, of direction, again, of leadership. Again, that reflects poorly on Philbin.

Well, that will be the rub as this story gains traction and heads over to the news division. In fact, I predict I will be mad at ALL general coverage of this issue by Wednesday.

This type of conduct IS normal to a point. All rookies pay for dinners. Packers have done this with Bach and with Jones and Boyd and KFC wings for the D lineman..

And I suspect the $30,000 dinner being reported in the Miami press isn't quite the story it sounds like. More than one rookie might have been paying and it could have been a dummy bill like Bach's experience. We also don't know how many people attended and eventually kicked in for it.

The difference would seem to be with Incognito that he got the money from someone not going on the trip and got the money by sending messages that I am sure he now regrets. Its hard to haze someone when they are not present. That crosses the line from prank to blackmail. You can't call it a bonding ritual when the kid isn't there.

[pbmax]

Well, here is someone who could be Incognito's Dad putting fuel into the furnace. Either that or a fantastic troll effort.

http://deadspin.com/is-richie-incognitos-dad-blasting-jonathan-martin-on-m-1457997230

Early this morning, a poster with the username "idrd1994" left an impassioned defense of Incognito on the FinHeaven message board. In it, he attacked both Martin and Mike Pouncey as "black brothers that do drugs on a regular basis," and asked readers to "pray [GM Jeff] Ireland and [coach Joe] Philbin die of AIDS." He blasts the team from top to bottom, claims Incognito is getting railroaded, and uses the "black people say the N-word in rap music" argument to dismiss claims that Incognito sent racial messages to Martin. He also implies that Martin has pondered suicide, and "does not belong in an NFL locker room."

There are details about how they trace this account to Incognito's Dad, but you should also be aware that before the complaint was lodged and evidence turned over and the suspension handed down, the poster thought the NFLPA would not touch this investigation with a ten foot pole because Martin has tried to commit suicide three times and all the Dolphins brass knows all about it.

[George Cumby]

The NFL: soap opera for men.

[KYPack]

Rookies have to pay for this until the next rookies come, have you ever been apart of a team? We had initiation in both Football in HS and Rugby in college. I didn't have to spend $15k but did pay a shot tab of $100 and in college that WAS $15k.

Those pranks and ribs can get out of hand.

There is a huge difference between a young boy having to do Zulu Warrior for his first try and the bullshit Incognito and his crew were doing down in Miami.

[denverYooper]

The NFL: soap opera for men.

Quiet! My stories are on.

[Patler]

Rookies have to pay for this until the next rookies come, have you ever been apart of a team? We had initiation in both Football in HS and Rugby in college. I didn't have to spend $15k but did pay a shot tab of $100 and in college that WAS $15k.

Martin isn't a rookie. Why does it continue? Recent articles say the LV trip was this summer, which would be after the new batch of rookies came in. So why did Martin have to play?

[green_bowl_packer]

Deadspin Article states - drug use (possibly Pouncey's on part too) and previous suicide attempts on Martins part . Incognito has a long history of douchbaggery and anger managment. Probably hosted Suh on his recruiting trip.

Roundup: Nebraska's Incognito indefinitely suspended
By Eric Olson, The Associated Press Updated 9/4/2004 11:36 PM
LINCOLN, Neb. — Center Richie Incognito has been suspended from the Nebraska football team for repeated violations of team policy, coach Bill Callahan announced after Wednesday's practice.
Callahan said he didn't know when, or if, Incognito would return to the team.

"I'm really disappointed because he's a really good player," Callahan said. "But no one is bigger than the team."

Callahan would not discuss the nature of Incognito's violations.

Incognito could not be reached for comment. His father, Richard, said he knew nothing about a suspension involving his son and that he has never spoken with Callahan.

"I'm not big into coaches I've never talked to," the elder Incognito said from his Arizona home.

Richard Incognito said he had spoken with his son Wednesday but that they didn't discuss his status on the team.

"Me and my son don't talk about the football team," Incognito said. "We talk about fly fishing and stereos."

The 6-foot-3, 300-pound junior from Glendale, Ariz., was a first-team All-Big 12 selection last year by The Associated Press.

A left tackle his first two years in the Nebraska program, Incognito moved to center last spring.

Kurt Mann, a sophomore from Grand Island, will start at center in Saturday's opener against Western Illinois.

Richie Incognito's name did not appear on this week's depth chart, but Callahan on Tuesday would not disclose the reason.

After walking off the practice field Wednesday, Callahan told reporters that he had notified Incognito on Tuesday afternoon that he was indefinitely suspended. Incognito was not at practice Wednesday.

Incognito ran into problems with the law in February when was charged with three counts of assault stemming from a fight at a party. He was found guilty of one misdemeanor assault charge after a three-day trial in June and paid a $500 fine upon his conviction. Another charge was dismissed and he was found innocent of the second charge.

In the spring of 2003, former coach Frank Solich suspended Incognito for unspecified reasons. Incognito was reinstated and went on to start all 13 games last season.

In an interview before last season, Incognito said he planned to be more disciplined in every phase of his life.

"I've got to tone it down a little," he said at the time.

As a freshman in 2002, he was ejected from the Penn State game for fighting. He was suspended for the first half of the Iowa State game the following week.

On another occasion, Incognito was caught spitting on an opposing player. He also got into a scuffle in last year's Alamo Bowl game against Michigan State.

Incognito entered this fall on the Rimington Award Watch list as one of the nation's top centers. Two preseason publications listed him as one of the nation's top five players at his position.

[KYPack]

Big Richie is a total asshole.

In addition to the stuff Green Bowl posted, he was tossed out of the Oregon football program after Nebraska got rid of him.

Then St Louis cut him in the NFL for various bits of thuggery.

Buffalo didn't re-sign him and then he went to Miami.

This guy is a bully and a thug.

The stuff we know about him is the shit he was caught for.

There have long been lots of rumors about fist fights and other crazy shit that he skated on.

He actually is a pretty good player, but he's so destructive to any team he is on, it ain't worth having him.

[Old School]

Herm Edwards and Mike Ditka spoke on this today.(Mike & Mike) Edwards acknowledged rookies "buying", but said that accounting for inflation food/salary this seems beyond the line. They both said that while the locker room belongs to the players, coaches know all that is going on because strength and training staffs hear conversations and talk with players daily. Anything over the line/detrimental to the team gets communicated to the HC.

Ditka said he would immediately step in to stop, without question, anything that could destroy team chemistry. He said the rule is as long as a player is a team member, he must be respected and treated as part of the team. (paraphrased)

[Bossman641]

What do I win for guessing Incognito?

[Zool]

What do I win for guessing Incognito?

You get to buy me a vacation.

[green_bowl_packer]

Big Richie is a total asshole.

In addition to the stuff Green Bowl posted, he was tossed out of the Oregon football program after Nebraska got rid of him.

Then St Louis cut him in the NFL for various bits of thuggery.

Buffalo didn't re-sign him and then he went to Miami.

This guy is a bully and a thug.

The stuff we know about him is the shit he was caught for.

There have long been lots of rumors about fist fights and other crazy shit that he skated on.

He actually is a pretty good player, but he's so destructive to any team he is on, it ain't worth having him.

Kudos bossman!!!! You're a great judge of character.

KY All true!!! But wait there's more . . .

Richie Incognito Punched Security Guard at Hotel Nightclub Before Training Camp
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...-training-camp

And This . . . (What do you do to someone in a preseason game that makes them want to take your head off with your own helmet)
Report: Antonio Smith to be suspended for swing at Richie Incognito
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...hie-incognito/

Video of the Smith helmet swing (if Smith connected we wouldn't be talking about this today)
http://msn.foxsports.com/watch/fox-f...b-9c71172e13b3

Seahawks players criticized Incognito before a game in 2008, accusing him of jumping late onto piles, twisting ankles and scratching necks.

"You know, like the FBI's 20 Most Wanted? Yeah, he'd be on that list," Seahawks linebacker Julian Peterson said.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4745760

2005 NY Jets draft talk - The Italian Jets fans, didn't even want this guy.
http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/th...cognito-Update

I'll take my 2 hour penalty for piling on.

[pbmax]

Fruit doesn't fall far from the tree

Is Richie Incognito's Dad Blasting Jonathan Martin On Message Boards?

http://deadspin.com/is-richie-incogn...n-m-1457997230

Update: Adam Beasley of the Miami Herald spoke to the FinsHeaven board administrator. idrd1994 registered with a date of birth of 12/14/1949, which matches Richie Incognito Sr.'s birthday.

sorry gbp for duplicating your post.

[pbmax]

Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 6m
NFL has heard Richie Incognito's VM to Jonathan Martin. Dolphins have heard the voice mail.

The world has officially turned into high school. Maybe even middle school.