Scott Motherf***ing Tolzien

[red]

sorry, 1 td, and 5 int's (should have been 8) in too games

and the game isn't over yet, he could still squeeze a couple int's in there

[Iron Mike]

Throwing late, across the middle. Where have we seen THAT before?


Lord Favre, v. II.

[woodbuck27]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1854420-winners-and-losers-for-week-11-of-the-nfl

Why was Scott Tolzien named as a LOSER for week 11?

One name Jason Pierre Paul and a gift pick.

Get that QB some eye correction.

[Pugger]

can we put a stop to this stupis bullshit yet?

guy has 1 td and 4 int's (should have been 7) in two games

guy is not good. he can throw hard and far, but thats about it folks

bring on flynn for next week/ at least we know he belongs in the NFL, even if it is only as a backup

If Flynn is so wonderful why couldn't he secure the backup job in Freaking Oakland or Buffalo?

[red]

If Flynn is so wonderful why couldn't he secure the backup job in Freaking Oakland or Buffalo?

if tolzien was so wonderful why wasn't he able to secure the #3 position in san diego and san fran?

and why have we lost the last two games with him at the helm? he's a turnover machine right now

if flynn the short term answer? who knows. i do know that the team had no intention of him being on the real roster this year and that we have no lost two games with him at QB to two very bad teams with horrible defenses. and he has 5 int's in those two games to only 1 td

he might be a player down the road, but we need a win right now, and i don't see him bringing us one

[Pugger]

If Flynn was better than Tolzien McCarthy would have him start next week instead. This MN is a must win game too.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Fightin Bob McGinn weighs in:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/rating-the-packers-vs-giants-b99145085z1-232450101.html

There is much to like about Tolzien. Making his first start, in the Big Apple no less, he wasn't the least bit awed by the moment. Receivers drop passes, he never changed expression. Smashed to the turf on several of his five knockdowns, he bounced up as if nothing happened. Facing a deficit in all but the first series, he stayed with the plan and seemed oblivious to the long odds. Unable to get decent yardage on first-down runs all day, he just kept firing away against a veteran defense that knew he had to throw. His 40-yard dash (4.94) and vertical jump (29½) certainly weren't impressive three years ago, but he stepped around in the pocket and challenged defenders to tackle him on two late scrambles with both hands wrapped around the ball. McCarthy seemed stunned how far and how accurate his half-dozen deep balls were. Beason and Pierre-Paul made great plays on two of his three interceptions. On the third, a hurried overthrow into the middle of the field, Tolzien showed he was human. To those calling for Matt Flynn, I can only say that Tolzien's two appearances were better than Flynn's start Sept. 29 for Oakland against Washington.

[woodbuck27]

This is some LOL shit.

So is Schaub hurt or just benched?

Matt Schaub replacing Kase Keenum at the start of the 4th Qtr. turned in a 12/25 155 Yard 0 TD 0 Pick ahhh...... performance.

He's very popular with his teammates.

Watch: Houston Texans quarterback Matt Schaub and wide receiver Andre Johnson have a heated sideline:

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2013111703/2013/REG11/raiders@texans#menu=highlights

Andre Johnson on staying a Texan: 'I'm under contract'

By Kevin Patra ... Around the League writer ... Published: Nov. 18, 2013 at 08:27 a.m

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000284008/article/andre-johnson-on-staying-a-texan-im-under-contract

" Andre Johnson dismissed his heated, late-game argument with Matt Schaub after the Houston Texans lost 28-23 to the Oakland Raiders on Sunday.

At 2-8, the Texans' season is forked, and a coaching change likely is on the horizon. Johnson was asked if he'd want to stick around Houston for a rebuild.

"I'm under contract, so I have to play my contract out," Johnson said, per ESPN.com. "I can't do anything about that."

Johnson is signed through 2016. "

[woodbuck27]

Time for my Senator Joe McCarthy imitation. I have in my hand a list:

Arizona Cardinals Carson Palmer
Atlanta Falcons - Matt Ryan
Baltimore Ravens - Joe Flacco
Buffalo Bills - Thad Lewis
Carolina Panthers - Cam Newton
Chicago Bears - Jay Cutler
Cincinnati Bengals - Andy Dalton
Cleveland Browns - Jason Campbell
Dallas Cowboys - Tony Romo
Denver Broncos - Peyton Manning
Detroit Lions - Matthew Stafford
Green Bay Packers - Scott Tolzien (Aaron Rodgers)
Houston Texans - Case Keenum
Indianapolis Colts - Andrew Luck
Dolphins - Chad Henne
Kansas City Chiefs - Alex Smith
Miami Dolphins - Ryan Tannehill
Minnesota Vikings - Christian Ponder
New England Pats - Tom Brady
NO Saints - Drew Brees
New York Giants - Eli Manning
New York Jets - Geno Smith
Oakland Raiders - Terrelle Pryor
Phil Eagles - Nick Foles (Michael Vick)
Pitts Steelers - Ben Roethlisberger
SD Chargers - Philip Rivers
SF 49ers - Colin Kaepernick
Seattle Seahawks - Russell Wilson
St. Louis Rams - Kellen Clemens (Sam Bradford)
Tampa Bay Bucs - Mike Glennon
Tennessee Titans - Jake Locker
Washington Skins - Robert Griffin III

Thank you Wikipedia.

I'm gonna count Geno Smith, Andy Dalton as franchise QBs.
I don't know about Jake Locker, Michael Vick, Thad Lewis, Case Keenum, Mike Glennon

The guys that need to be replaced:
Terrelle Pryor, Christian Ponder, Chad Henne, Jason Campbell

So by my lights, there are at least 23 "Franchise QBs" in the league. Maybe I am a little soft in the heart or head.

Maybe we need to come up with our own definition of the term Franchise Quarterback?

Here are some of my observations this season:

Chicago Bears - Jay Cutler is struggling to stay healthy and prove he's the man of the Bear's future. That's by some speculation up in the air.

The Dolphins Ryan Tannehill is ** still learning to be a QB but seems to have a solid grip today in Miami. ** He had his first start as a College QB in the 2010 season for the Texas A&M Aggies. He started all 13 games in 2011 for Texas A&M. He was drafted in 2012 by Miami in Rd. 1 Pick #8.

Tannehill's Career NFL statistics as of Week 9, 2013:

Pass attempts 773 - Pass completions 457 - Percentage 59.1 - TD–INT 23-22 - Passing yards 5,271- QB Rating 77.8

Who's the QB in Houston? Who's anything in Houston? There's a lot of illness in the Texans camp. Look for big changes in that franchise and soon.

The Tennessee Titans and Jake Locker? The concern there is Lockers ability to stay healthy as he's gone down often for too many games missed.

In the welcome to the same club grouping:

Give it time to be seen applies to the New York Jets - Geno Smith; Oakland Raiders - Terrelle Pryor; and Tampa Bay Bucs - Mike Glennon. The No. 1 QB for the Buffalo Bills is E.J. Manuel. He came off an injury this past week Vs the NY Jets and led the Bills over the jets 37-14 with a fine 20 for 28 and 245 yard - 2 TD's - 0 Pick performance. It seems to me that the Bills have high hopes for E.J. Manuel. How he pans out will be left to be seen.

The Arizona Cardinals Carson Palmer and Cleveland Browns Jason Campbell. Send them both the same card. You identify that card.

It's anybody's guess what's going on in Pittsburg and Ben Rothlesberger. He's receiving memo's on his work ethic and the rumors are flying that he may be traded. I'd send the same card to him as I would Colin Kaepernick in San Fran.
" Make up our mind about you. "

Andy Reed very much wanted Alex Smith and that's working out well in Kansas City.

Michael Vick will be looking for work soon. Nick Foles is proving to be more than decent and should be the guy in Philadelphia.

Andy Dalton seems secure in Cincy.

Solid or Franchise QB's as of today:

Atlanta Falcons - Matt Ryan
Baltimore Ravens - Joe Flacco
Carolina Panthers - Cam Newton
Dallas Cowboys - Tony Romo
Denver Broncos - Peyton Manning
Detroit Lions - Matthew Stafford
Green Bay Packers - Aaron Rodgers
Indianapolis Colts - Andrew Luck
New England Pats - Tom Brady
NO Saints - Drew Brees
New York Giants - Eli Manning
SD Chargers - Philip Rivers
Seattle Seahawks - Russell Wilson
Washington Skins - Robert Griffin III

I count 14 QB's that might be considered legitimately solid or even labeled as Franchise QB's.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

"There is much to like about Tolzien."

Not sure I like Tolzien yet, but I think he brings the best chance to win this sunday. We also should see if he has a future, for after two games, I would expect to see improvement, learning from his mistakes, and feeling more comfortable at the position.

[woodbuck27]

"There is much to like about Tolzien."

Not sure I like Tolzien yet, but I think he brings the best chance to win this sunday. We also should see if he has a future, for after two games, I would expect to see improvement, learning from his mistakes, and feeling more comfortable at the position.

We can debate this to the cows return to the barn but MM >>> Scott Tolzien Vs Minny.

That's the end of the story.

[Packers4Glory]

if tolzien was so wonderful why wasn't he able to secure the #3 position in san diego and san fran?

and why have we lost the last two games with him at the helm? he's a turnover machine right now

yes because the defense has been so good. its all Tolziens fault. You must be one of those guys who blame and credit the QB for everything.

[red]

yes because the defense has been so good. its all Tolziens fault. You must be one of those guys who blame and credit the QB for everything.

# of int's thrown in 2 games by tolzien = 5
# of int's thrown in previous 7 games by a-rod= 4
# of int's thrown all of last season by a-rod= 8
# of int's thrown in 2011 by a-rod= 6

you can't turn the ball over, not on this team. the defense isn't anywhere close to being good enough to win after losing the turnover battle

tolzien has made a lot of real nice throws, but he's thrown some really bad int's

[KYPack]

# of int's thrown in 2 games by tolzien = 5
# of int's thrown in previous 8 games by a-rod= 4
# of int's thrown all of last season by a-rod= 8
# of int's thrown in 2011 by a-rod= 6

you can't turn the ball over, not on this team. the defense isn't anywhere close to being good enough to win after losing the turnover battle

tolzien has made a lot of real nice throws, but he's thrown some really bad int's

He's got to work on his short throws. He gets it out quick, but put a read on it and throw the sucker higher. Some of his slip screens only get about 6' off the ground. The one to JPP was awrful!

[woodbuck27]

# of int's thrown in 2 games by tolzien = 5
# of int's thrown in previous 8 games by a-rod= 4
# of int's thrown all of last season by a-rod= 8
# of int's thrown in 2011 by a-rod= 6

you can't turn the ball over, not on this team. the defense isn't anywhere close to being good enough to win after losing the turnover battle

tolzien has made a lot of real nice throws, but he's thrown some really bad int's

Your argument is strong red but MM has to stand the course and not waffle now.

MM has the option to replace Scott Tolzien with Matt Flynn Vs Minny if it starts to get out of hand.

Set the Packer defense issues aside.

If things don't get straightened out on the Packer OL in this game it will be difficult for the team to scrape out a win.

Flat out it seems to me that this team as it stands now has too many issues to iron out and secure a playoff berth this season.

GO PACK GO !