TED THOMPSON---WORTHY OF CRITICISM ???????????????????????????

[Patler]

Patler your very smart:

Meditate on this question:

What must a backup QB be on a competitive NFL team and I'll start here.

He 'must be capable of'... taking over and guiding his teams offense to WINS when called upon to play.

PACKERS !

The unfortunate thing is we don't really know if the Packers backup QB was capable of that or not. We do know that their 3rd string QB has not been. Nor has their 4th option at QB.

I will pose another question for us all to consider:

Was Seneca Wallace really injured so extensively as to be out for the year, or was GB rash and impulsive in putting him on IR immediately?

[woodbuck27]

The unfortunate thing is we don't really know if the Packers backup QB was capable of that or not. We do know that their 3rd string QB has not been. Nor has their 4th option at QB.

I will pose another question for us all to consider:

Was Seneca Wallace really injured so extensively as to be out for the year, or was GB rash and impulsive in putting him on IR immediately?

Goodness you were prompt in responding and I edited the post you responded to.

I'll think about your question and respond accordingly.

[Bossman641]

He's certainly deserving of criticism but this whole "TT sucks, MM sucks" is simply an overreaction to an injury-destroyed season from a fanbase that has become entitled, to be honest. Next year we will be right in the hunt again. I fault TT for not bringing in a safety over the offseason but the guys that fans were clamoring for (Reed/Huff) have been disasters anyways.

[run pMc]

Was Seneca Wallace really injured so extensively as to be out for the year, or was GB rash and impulsive in putting him on IR immediately?

Purely a guess, butI think Wallace was probably going to be out for a week or two and would be playing again by now. I also think when Flynn cleared waivers and with Tolzien being the only healthy QB on the roster at that point they felt their hand was forced. You have to have 2 QBs on the gameday roster.
Of course, it's possible Wallace really wrecked the muscle, but IIRC he pulled it on basically a non-contact (for him) play...so I'm inclined to think the injury wasn't serious.

[run pMc]

He's certainly deserving of criticism but this whole "TT sucks, MM sucks" is simply an overreaction to an injury-destroyed season from a fanbase that has become entitled, to be honest. Next year we will be right in the hunt again. I fault TT for not bringing in a safety over the offseason but the guys that fans were clamoring for (Reed/Huff) have been disasters anyways.

+1

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

He's certainly deserving of criticism but this whole "TT sucks, MM sucks" is simply an overreaction to an injury-destroyed season from a fanbase that has become entitled, to be honest. Next year we will be right in the hunt again. I fault TT for not bringing in a safety over the offseason but the guys that fans were clamoring for (Reed/Huff) have been disasters anyways.

Not sure how injuries explain the continued piss poor tackling and complete lack of fire? These are things that can and should be coached, but sadly have not been. While injuries certainly contribute to our woes, I personally believe the injuries are just exposing the packers for what they are, mostly an average team with average coaches. I hope the board of directors recognize this and make changes accordingly.

[Patler]

Purely a guess, butI think Wallace was probably going to be out for a week or two and would be playing again by now. I also think when Flynn cleared waivers and with Tolzien being the only healthy QB on the roster at that point they felt their hand was forced. You have to have 2 QBs on the gameday roster.
Of course, it's possible Wallace really wrecked the muscle, but IIRC he pulled it on basically a non-contact (for him) play...so I'm inclined to think the injury wasn't serious.

I agree, they needed to add another QB, but they could have released or IR'd someone else to make room. Sending Wallace to IR might simply have been the easiest at the time. Now, they might wish they had him.

[MadScientist]

I agree, they needed to add another QB, but they could have released or IR'd someone else to make room. Sending Wallace to IR might simply have been the easiest at the time. Now, they might wish they had him.

Granted he didn't play much, but what makes you think that Wallace would do any better? Against the Bears it looked like his arm was at best half of Flynn's.

Backup QB isn't a position to waste money on. A 4-7 round pick that you can develop is the best bet, but the Packers had more glaring needs. They still have those glaring needs, in part because the last couple of drafts were not that great. That is on TT.

[Patler]

Not sure how injuries explain the continued piss poor tackling and complete lack of fire?

Very understandably could contribute to both. I have seen injuries beat down a teams will. With the Packers this year, it has been one standout player after another going down, week after week after week. It can beat you down. It's easy to say it is the coaches job to maintain their passion, but these are just very young adults, and sometime frustration takes over. Frustration, depression. despair even to a slight level diminishes the passion or fire, and defensively it can be manifested by poor tackling.

Sometimes we forget a lot of the players are just overgrown kids, subject to the same emotions we are.

[red]

I think TT deserves plenty of critisism

And not because of the backup qb mess. Like others have said, we're not talking about our backup not being good enough, he got hurt right away. We' re talking about how our third and fourth string qb isn't good enough. Your third stringer is always gonna be a practice squad guy, your fouth stringer is never gonna be on your roster at the beginning of the year

My problm with tt is the fact that he only uses the draft to build, and a lot of those picks are turning out to be misses

And the overpaying for our own average talent. People like to say its good to stay out of free agency because you always have to overpay. Well we have ovepaid for tramon, hawk, finley, brad jones, bush, and i'm sure theres a few more. These are free agent busts. If they had come from other teams we would be talking about how they we horrible signings

We ovespend on our own, why cant we ovespend on others?

We need a safety, and cant draft one, go sign a guy who can actually start in the nfl. We cant draft o line talent, go get some

Wait a week into free agency for all the crazy deal to get done, then start filling holes

[Patler]

Granted he didn't play much, but what makes you think that Wallace would do any better? Against the Bears it looked like his arm was at best half of Flynn's.

Backup QB isn't a position to waste money on. A 4-7 round pick that you can develop is the best bet, but the Packers had more glaring needs. They still have those glaring needs, in part because the last couple of drafts were not that great. That is on TT.

I have absolutely no idea whether or not Wallace would do any better or not. I'm not suggesting that he would. I also don't know if Flynn has an arm problem or not. Maybe his arm is the same that it always has been. It might just be a matter of giving them the plays they can succeed with, which can be difficult when you are playing from big point deficits.

However, Wallace is the one they spent the most time with, preparing him to be the backup in their 2013 scheme. He also provides a mobility aspect that Flynn does not. I was just thinking that in view of Tolzien's erraticness and Flynn's flame out in Detroit, they might wish they had Wallace back.

[woodbuck27]

We can examine the Packers failure now focusing on different reasons for the failure:

a) A loss of Aaron Rodgers and the overwhelming impact of that loss given his lofty status and real meaning to the team.

b) With Rodgers out the back up QB position.

c) Too much adversity in the form of all the accumulating injuries to players and not simply that and key players.

d) Depth on the roster at all positions. The observable quality of that depth.

e) The status of our 'D' before and after the loss of Aaron Rodgers. Breaking that analysis down in terms of the rushing and passing defense. Results for the 'D' based in measurement (stat's).

f) The status of the 'O' before and after the loss of Aaron Rodgers. (stat's)

g) The quality of our OL in terms related to roster availability and flexibility. The number of OL spots made available on the roster at the close of training camp.

h) The impact of the last two drafts on the quality of our roster.

I) The impact on the team based in FA activity.

etc. etc....etc.

[woodbuck27]

I think TT deserves plenty of critisism

And not because of the backup qb mess. Like others have said, we're not talking about our backup not being good enough, he got hurt right away. We' re talking about how our third and fourth string qb isn't good enough. Your third stringer is always gonna be a practice squad guy, your fouth stringer is never gonna be on your roster at the beginning of the year

My problm with tt is the fact that he only uses the draft to build, and a lot of those picks are turning out to be misses

And the overpaying for our own average talent. People like to say its good to stay out of free agency because you always have to overpay. Well we have ovepaid for tramon, hawk, finley, brad jones, bush, and i'm sure theres a few more. These are free agent busts. If they had come from other teams we would be talking about how they we horrible signings

We ovespend on our own, why cant we ovespend on others?

We need a safety, and cant draft one, go sign a guy who can actually start in the nfl. We cant draft o line talent, go get some

Wait a week into free agency for all the crazy deal to get done, then start filling holes

Ted Thompson seems to me to be a stubborn man.

As long as it acts that way the Green Bay Packers will be at a disadvantage.

In my life I've learned that what isn't working simply needs to be fixed or renewed.

I believe that Ted Thompson needs to change somehow.

I believe that TT needs a brand new blueprint for that change.

My concern as a Packer fan...TT's simply never going to get there.

Back to the meaning of the word... stubborn:

adjective: stubborn

Having or showing dogged determination not to change one's attitude or position on something, especially in spite of good reasons to do so.

[bobblehead]

I'm torn on this one; every coach, including MM, seems to be getting shredded in here.

Yet in general Ted Thompson seems devoid of criticism by nearly everybody

We have not won in five games since AROD was injured. Even the sometimes negative Nancy Bob McGinn thought Ted had built the Packers go go at least .500 without AROD.

But we are winless, and I'm pondering if it's time to begin breaking down, and critiquing, some of the drafts in full and he personneel moves, some good in signing out own and some perhaps bad in overpaying our own......

Just wondering..........is he still on his pass as the Genius GM or does he deserve some spat thrown at him like the coaching staff ???

The short answer is this. He is certainly not BEYOND criticism. I don't think he is WORTHY of it though. MM and TT dropped the ball regarding a backup. The strategy they used has been in GB since Wolf/Holmgren. Problem is that the 2 guys they were developing didn't develop. They deserve criticism for that. They also deserve a bit of credit for recognizing it and making the move for seneca Wallace when they did. We will never know for sure if that move would have been enough or not.

Again, we must look at the body of work. I thought cutting Bishop was crazy...he was healthy, he played ok in Minnesota early. TT proved to be right though, and the hammy left problems that lead to another injury (maybe, or it was a fluke). Giving Hawk that big contract was a mistake, it was remedied. I can't hammer TT for the OL though, not unless Bulaga and Sherrod line up together and suck.

What I do not accept from people is criticism such as "TT fucking blows. He is an idiot. I could GM better than that asshole. He hasn't done anything other than draft Arod."

[bobblehead]

Purely a guess, butI think Wallace was probably going to be out for a week or two and would be playing again by now. I also think when Flynn cleared waivers and with Tolzien being the only healthy QB on the roster at that point they felt their hand was forced. You have to have 2 QBs on the gameday roster.
Of course, it's possible Wallace really wrecked the muscle, but IIRC he pulled it on basically a non-contact (for him) play...so I'm inclined to think the injury wasn't serious.

Most blown achilles happen non contact. It may have been bad, but I agree with your assessment.