TED THOMPSON---WORTHY OF CRITICISM ???????????????????????????

[Guiness]

I'm learning more and more the NFL is simply a matter of who has the healthiest team. The Chiefs have had pretty good injury luck this year. Of course, 2 weeks ago they lose Hali and Houston. Guess who they are forced to trot out - Zombo and Dezman Moses.

And KC lost both of those games, their vaunted defense unable to stop the hemorrhaging - they allowed 41 and 35 points. The week before those injuries they held Denver to 27, their lowest total of the season.

[woodbuck27]

I can only think of what TT can do going forward. Perhaps there were discussions on coaches on the "hot seat" on the staff prior to the season and likely there has been during the season. I'm sure TT has been doing evals during the season on these guys. But other than when TT made MM get rid of Bates, he's let MM handle the coaches from what I've understood. So that's why I'm hoping that TT does get more involved and that we hear that it's him that's pushing for change. Canning coaches during a season isn't all that common, unless it's a HC, and even that is pretty rare. Usually that's done in the offseason, hence my reference to that timeframe.

In now understand your context in terms TT reaching MM and TIME.

I will emphasize this as my position here:

As the Packer GM I believe it was incumbent on TT to ensure that conversation has been continually going on.

I mean that short of harping at MM.

[woodbuck27]

Did he play with it for a while? Because I remember him playing like death warmed over during the early part of the season, right out of the gate.

pbmax was that the 2011 season (early)? When did you notice his play had deteriorated?

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/111071544.html

Packers sign Tramon Williams to contract extension ( 2011-14) and .... put Chillar and Havner on IR

By Bob McGinn of the Journal Sentinel

Nov. 30, 2010

" The official average of the deal is $8.2685 million. He can realize another $1 million from 2011-14 in the form of workout bonuses. "

Comment woodbuck27:

That was a giant leap for TW's life.

Tramon Williams, (NOW 30 Yrs Old) , entered NFL as a FA with Houston - 2006.

Cut by the Texans, he joined the Packers’ PS in Nov. 2006. As a Green Bay Packer he's struck it rich.

I hate it that the team is stuck with this guy for another season the way he acts. He often acts like a simple punk. He gets out of control and MM pat's him on the ass for it.

[pbmax]

I thought it was 2011 prior to injury. But given that he was injured in the first game, it doesn't jibe.

I recall a series of games at the beginning of the season where he play was poor despite still being asked to cover the #1 receivers. The only logical explanation is that I remember his struggles the following season while he was still battling his recovery from the injury.

[woodbuck27]

I thought it was 2011 prior to injury. But given that he was injured in the first game, it doesn't jibe.

I recall a series of games at the beginning of the season where he play was poor despite still being asked to cover the #1 receivers. The only logical explanation is that I remember his struggles the following season while he was still battling his recovery from the injury.

He's forgotten how to play the drums. **


** Reference Greg Jennings story - playing the drums in church and

(not related) his lower rectus abdominis muscle injury diagnosis (not a groin pull related/not related)

RE: Article in a prior post to me RE: Greg Jennings Injury 2012 Season.

[KYPack]

I can only think of what TT can do going forward. Perhaps there were discussions on coaches on the "hot seat" on the staff prior to the season and likely there has been during the season. I'm sure TT has been doing evals during the season on these guys. But other than when TT made MM get rid of Bates, he's let MM handle the coaches from what I've understood. So that's why I'm hoping that TT does get more involved and that we hear that it's him that's pushing for change. Canning coaches during a season isn't all that common, unless it's a HC, and even that is pretty rare. Usually that's done in the offseason, hence my reference to that timeframe.

Bates left GB when he didn't get the HC job. Sanders was MM's DC.

[bobblehead]

Packers were the youngest team for years and yet Packers have been declining since the SB win. That's just terrible management and apparently a lack of abilty to judge talent by coaches as well. I guess that ultimate success can make one blind and hence feel invincible on draft day. TT and coaches drank a magic posion and the effect wore of pretty quickly.

I still think TT is our GM and a fairly good one but he also hired our teaching coaches and has let our DL, our front seven as a Whole plus OL decline faster than you can say 'Brett Favre one man show'!

It's now the Aaron Rodgers one man show and Packers are looking stupid these days. Big offseason coming and all is NOT lost.

Lastly, it's ok in my book to be clutching at straws, during the remaining season, and hold up hope for some miracle for the Packers to turn Things around. Just don't be too dissapointed when reality checks in.

We were a wildcard team the year we won the SB, we went 15-1 the next year, and won the division the next. Are we declining? Other than the fact that the only place to go is down after you win the SB.

[bobblehead]

Fans also have a whole hell of a lot more invested in the teams then coaches, gms, or players. They come and go and move on to the next team

We stay

But our future employment isn't dependent on the teams success. I agree we have plenty invested, but I think TT and MM want to win every bit as bad as you and I want them to.

[bobblehead]

Back to you too bobblehead on that note.

" if you are like rbaloha or tank" bobblehead

What in Jaysus Blue Thunder are you getting at above?

Don't even imagine the name woodbuck27 in any association with rbaloha and/or Tank and the manner and /or ways that those former members behaved. In that sense don't use my name ...woodbuck27 in the same sentence and sense of what they offered Packerrats.

Are you trying to establish some point above RE: me?

What are you even suggesting? Please respond to this question in regards specifically to me.

Before you go there think about this:

I've been a member here since what the Spring of 2005 and have made over 17 K posts and have survived any banning.

I conduct myself and have well within the boundaries acceptable for some respect and not an outright banning.

As far as any ridicule. I know how to deal with ignorance. I know how to deal with name calling and misdirection in terms of defensive rhetoric.

No that wasn't specific to you. I don't ever think you are really out of line or overboard and thus I can't recall giving you a hard time ever. Most of the posters on PR are sincere and want a winner and want to discuss football intelligently. Those that want to inflame I tend to ridicule.

[bobblehead]

That is a fantastic question though, isn't it?

Thompson loves born and bred football players (see his AJ Hawk comments) but he also more typically engages in projection about what kind of athlete might eventually make a good NFL player (Finley, a lot of O lineman, Jeremy Thompson, Nick Collins, Blackmon, Matthews). This is especially true later in the draft and the best example might be Sam Shields.

Like Wolf he is looking for physical advantage. Does such an approach hurt the basic football ability of the team? Under today's conditions, can a coaching staff teach the unfamiliar how to tackle well?

When TT came he drafted football players until he rebuilt the roster mostly. Now he is gambling more on hitting a homerun on a talent. I prefer the first method as you can improve ones physical skills easier than attitude/instinct. I wish he would get back to drafting football players.

[bobblehead]

Maybe I am confusing the injury with its impact on him the following year. He did get injured in Game #1, 2011 running into Collins.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...r-threatening/

Was that also what caused the neck injury to collins? IF so it might go down as the worst collision in team history. PS...our DB's were running into each other way back then already.

[red]

Was that also what caused the neck injury to collins? IF so it might go down as the worst collision in team history. PS...our DB's were running into each other way back then already.

No, i remember someone trying to jump over collins and landed ass first on nicks head

And i dont think it was tramon

[woodbuck27]

No that wasn't specific to you. I don't ever think you are really out of line or overboard and thus I can't recall giving you a hard time ever. Most of the posters on PR are sincere and want a winner and want to discuss football intelligently. Those that want to inflame I tend to ridicule.

OK good then we're cool.

If I step out of line with some of the humor I use or in any way affront your needs as Packer fan lets discuss that.

As a Packer fan I have the same agenda that you do. I want to support a team I'm proud of. I live football 365 days a year as a Packer and NFL fan. I'm always here when present to make this Packer home the best NFL team site on the internet. I truly try.

I'm reasonable to get along with. If you have a problem with me simply address that to me with some manners and you've got me.

[RashanGary]

I think Thompson deserves to be thought of as one of the best GM's of the last decade. I'm glad we have him.

As far as criticizing this season, sometimes I think people are trigger-quick to point fingers and blame before it's really necessary. It's the NFL. It's not always going to be rosy, but we're a team with a front office (personnel and coaching) that has us in position to compete for a SB victory year after year after year.

All is good in Green Bay. Nothing to see here, not yet anyway.

[KYPack]

No, i remember someone trying to jump over collins and landed ass first on nicks head

And i dont think it was tramon

It was James Stewart from Carolina. I watched that play 20 -30 times. Only one angle showed how bad Nick torqued his neck. From all the other angles, it just looked like a play. The last NFL tackle for a HOF safety that will never make the Hall.