M3 Season-Ending Presser

[woodbuck27]

Now this response is coherant and easy to read. So much of your posts are so convaluted that people can't get through them. Honestly, it is like reading an eng. manual. You say you pay attention, but damn there are 32 teams paying people alot of money to get to the same place. I don't really know what you want from MM and can't tell from your posts. The guy puts a competative team on the field every season, even seasons that like this one that probably should have ended in the shitter. Still they found a way to compete and get to the dance! Sure the team missed opportunities, but hell you don't think SF fans were a little befuddled with two short field goals early, essentially keeping this GB team in the game. MM is a stand up guy. Why would he throw his friends under the bus to appease people like you or I. That make zero sense. You are all over the map with this team it seems to me and if they didn't win the SB then heads should roll. You bitch about the draft, like you know more than they do. You bitch about the level of play when they win at a pretty good pace. You bitch about the info given to you, when you know damn good and well they are taught to say as little as possible. Be happy you root for one of the most glorious teams in any sport and they put a good product on the field more often than not. Hell even in the 80's they were exciting to watch. I would say except for the 70 this franchise has put an exciting and good product on the field. I don't get you Woody, sometimes your just not the best team and you lose. That should not consume you and if it does you need help! Hell even Lombardi wasn't perfect.....

" That should not consume you and if it does you need help! " LEWCWA

I do need help LEWCWA.

I need some competence demonstrated on behalf of Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson.

Your post is demonstrating some anger. Try to calm down please. What's with all the cursing? That anger won't do you any good and it won't do Packerrats any good. That accomplishes nothing. Please try... Simmer or tone it down a wee bit.

I'm merely a messenger and attack the message not me.

Now after that concern and advisement this:

I'll try very hard to make this message clear for 'YOU' and any other member that see's it as you do.

By the way I do respect your take on the Packers in terms of "it should be 'Good Enough'. I'm certainly not going to buy into it. Now that's just me. Don't feel threatened.

Re-focusing ...My response :

Note my manners LEWCWA. Do I use language that reflects anger? As a leader in my lifetime I've been well aware that weakness knocks any wanna be leader off that perch.

Anger doesn't solve anything. Bad language and poor manners and a confrontational attitude reflects a certain lacking in respect. If it gets there ..................it's nowhere, LEWCWA.

I can get there myself sometimes but I manage to put a wrap on that nonsense. In specific regards to Packerrats my stances are my own. Like me or hate me I don't give a hoot. I focus on TRUTH not any need of popularity. I focus on an attitude of support for my beloved Green Bay Packers.

I'm in a Pro Pickem' operated out of this forum. No one invested more real support in the Packer Vs 49ers and PACKERS as I did. Only one person on this forum bet largely on the San Fran 49ers to defeat the Green Bay Packers. The rest of us Packerrats bet on the Packers. That member cashed in on that bet. That doesn't make that member any less of a Packer fan. That member elected his/her CP's on the 49ers for any reason his/her business.

So don't in any way condemn me in any terms related to my undying support for the Green Bay Packers. A support I'll challenge anyone here at Packerrats with in terms of "LOYALTY". I'm "ALL IN " and Green Bay Packers mate. You cannot imagine your any better a Packer fan without me kicking your butt (as a poster here ) and such nonsense.

Did 'YOU' get that message LEWCWA?

I'm not consumed by the facts behind what's obvious to me. Such findings don't threaten my position to see the Green Bay Packers better prepared to compete with "the real Super Bowl contenders".

My Green Bay Packer support certainly cannot ignore Packer HC Mike McCarthy. As his his attitude appears 'right now'. If my description of his attitude annoys "YOU"?

Deal with it and not by deposing your anger on me. . 'ONLY' that would be appreciated.Thanks Packer fan.

Does my position in any manner threaten Mike McCarthy? I suspect the correct answer to that is .... a resounding .... NO !

Does my position threaten 'YOU' in your Green bay Packer fan...ness. As a dedicated Mike McCarthy supporter? If so that's not my problem.

I might grovel and beg that my views be understood. That would insult you and more so, myself.

If you can't wrap your Packer fan...ness, around a 1-3 record in the post season, since the Packers last won a Super Bowl? Then my views are a fruitless waste of my time and 'YOU'.

I'm well aware of what's going down and Packers. I'm generally 110% paying attention to not just Packers but "things NFL", LEWCWA. I'm "hard wired totally in" mate. I certainly pay attention. I doubt that you have the time to be as informed. That you have other interests as that may b

My posts are not of any imminent threatening nature for many reasons. The greatest being what we all must deal with as Packer fans and Mike McCarthy's boss...Packer GM Ted Thompson. My critique of Mike McCarthy falls well short of my rights to beg that he be FIRED !! I'm rather sure that Ted Thompson has a pact with Mike McCarthy and that includes no heavy handedness.

TT and MM. They often eat their version of their soup. I like something more in my Packer fan diet.

How do you read my last sentence.

As the English is or woodbuck27 would revel in seeing Mike McCarthy FIRED !?

Ohh your attitude towards me in regards to me and bitching. Please man...get real.

I post facts. I'm one of those Packer fans that Mike McCarthy would depose as losers. I support my positions with something corroborating "TRUTH". Mike McCarthy returns a whole dish of "the same Ole same ole. .. that amounts to nothing but more Mike McCarthy attitude.

By the way Mike McCarthy overeats to deal with his anxiety.

Miek McCarthy is fat. He's over the top too fat. He's so fat and out of shape that he cannot even get his ass on the field when his CB goes down to at least appear that he cares. How many Packer players can make that observation LEWCWA?

I see too much LEWCWA. I certainly offer you and all Packerrats just a part of what I see. That barely scrapes the surface of all of it. I must post to ensure that I don't upset the tender sensitivities of many here at Packerrats. I swallow so much BS it's actually funny to me LEWCWA.

Mike McCarthy is letting his job take him to a quick grave. That man is a minute away from a stroke or a heart attack. Haven't you as a Packer fan that supports Mike McCarthy noticed that? If not are you really caring about Mike McCarthy as I am.

Before there can be any communication there first must be a solid chance for good results from such.

All prejudice must be waved to the side. I hypothetically can be your brother and we might clearly disagree.

GO PACK GO!

[woodbuck27]

I agree. I'm impressed with the way the Packers battled through their injuries and still won the division. Think about it, they lost their starting QB, LT, TE, WR, OLB, and others and still had a competitive team.

I was very impressed with that result.

I certainly as a Packer fan never wavered in my support for "just such a NFCN finish".

I was totally invested in that POSITIVE; never faltering with more that hope.

I endured "in faith".

GO PACK GO !

[Patler]

That's the thing, imo they didn't battle through shit. They lucked into winning the division, when they controlled their own destiny the first time, just win, they fucked it up. When the team REALLY needed it's defense, it choked.

I basically agree with this comment. I can't say the team battled through much when they had a five game streak without a win. They didn't win the division as much as the Bears and Lions gave it away. There were a lot of winnable games that they simply didn't perform well in. They showed up, played their games, and mostly didn't impress.

This coaching staff including MM has a history of choking in big games.

I can't really agree with this. They have lost some important games over the years, but have also won a lot of important games over the years, including several late season games to get into the playoffs. I think they have succeeded about as much as they have failed in those games, so I can't really say that history indicates one way or the other.

[mraynrand]

I need some competence demonstrated on behalf of Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson.

[woodbuck27]

Of course I bitch about the team when I see problems, just like I cheer when they do well. This is a Packer internet chat site, anybody who comes here should expect to see all kinds of opinions, and they shouldn't get their undies in a bundle if somebody doesn't agree with them. That is the nature of the chat site beast. I think everybody wants to see the Packers improve, it is just differences of opinions on how we get there, i.e. new coaches, different players, where to spend money, how to stay healthy, etc. Hell, if everybody thought the same, this site would be boring as hell and not worth visiting anymore.

Nicely expressed.

We battle for .......... nothing.

We work to communicate "respectfully" together.

We focus all our efforts there for the faith and better rewards we all deserve in our loyalty to the GREEN BAY PACKERS !

Packer Nation 'only' begins with the Packer Organization. Packer Nation exceeds the Packer Organization.

Green Bay Packer fans are the bottomline not the the Packer Management or the Packer roster.

It's the Packer fans that come FIRST.

As fans the likes of Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy aren't something similar to GOD's. There simply men with "NO' infallible nature to screw things up. As Packer fans and members of Packerrats it has to be of primary concern that they don't get there.

Thus the board and all the threads to educate and discuss with an ultimate goal or primary focus of doing so in all respect for one another.

It's just that for the quality of the membership here.

GO PACK GO !

[woodbuck27]

That's the thing, imo they didn't battle through shit. They lucked into winning the division, when they controlled their own destiny the first time, just win, they fucked it up. When the team REALLY needed it's defense, it choked. This coaching staff including MM has a history of choking in big games.

Sadly isn't that "the bang on TRUTH". A TRUTH that is in OUR collective faces and cannot be explained away. A TRUTH that no one here can ignore.

If any of us gets right there. Those fans are the Packer fans that Mike McCarthy needs "YOU' to be;

Simply incorporated into a lessening crowd of "over impressed and accepting of less" Packer fans. Packer fans "almost, if not outright brain washed" by clearly stupid rhetoric that would actually make the informed Packer fan more determined to see him removed.

Mike McCarthy certainly disappoints me.

As I view Packers HC Mike McCarthy:

Mike McCarthy needs a life skills coach.

Mike McCarty needs to attend some course on how to utilize some decent measure of PR skills.

Doesn't the Packer organization have a reimbursement policy to encourage such effort for education and alleviating the pain of ignorance?

Eh!?

GO PACK GO !

[pbmax]

APRH = Assuming Player(s) Remain(s) Healthy

Does this include APGH?

Assuming Player(s) Get Healthy

[Guiness]

Now this response is coherant and easy to read. So much of your posts are so convaluted that people can't get through them. Honestly, it is like reading an eng. manual.

I assume that eng. stands for engineering, as in engineering manual? I'll take offense to that!

btw you could use a little more whitespace in your own posts...

[woodbuck27]

I'm not wrong 'M".

I've thrown down my gauntlet and stand bare handed.

I've little to actually have concern of and opposing me.

I've always know what it takes to win. I don't any longer see that with the Green Bay Packers and in specific terms of being "a TEAM of Excellence". The Packers simply continue to regress.

I see instead a reflection of Mike McCarthy's belly. Over the top too much "FAT".

It's time to trim that "FAT". Seriously that time is upon all of Packer Nation.

You have to be "out to lunch blind" not to see it.

You'll not even challenge me on this Packer fan and you love an argument.

Your hand would be too weak and I do believe you might be a decent Poker Player.

GO PACK GO!

[mraynrand]

I've always know what it takes to win. I don't any longer see that with the Green Bay Packers and in specific terms of being "a TEAM of Excellence". The Packers simply continue to regress.

What other teams of excellence have made the playoffs the past five seasons?

[woodbuck27]

What other teams of excellence have made the playoffs the past five seasons?

Please .... challenge yourself. A question like that is simply "YOU" spinning your wheels. Making 'only' so much smoke.

Try harder to not insult yourself mraynrand. I'm very positive this will be difficult for you or to determine a question for me:

That's relevant and any conversation and being competitive with the San Francisco 49ers and any team that may take them (The 49ers) out, in these playoffs.

Thanks.

Otherwise have a super day.

[pbmax]

I basically agree with this comment. I can't say the team battled through much when they had a five game streak without a win. They didn't win the division as much as the Bears and Lions gave it away. There were a lot of winnable games that they simply didn't perform well in. They showed up, played their games, and mostly didn't impress.

I agree with this, as a season at 8-8-1 is not a success, no matter Rodgers injury.

I am optimistic that eventually M3 found a QB, go him ready and put the offense back in gear. Another demonstration the guy knows what he is doing on offense.

But I am pessimistic that the D folded its tents at about the same time. Also pessimistic they missed so badly on Harrell. They can't help Wallace getting hurt or hope Tolzien becomes experienced in 3 weeks, but Harrell was here for 2-3 years and they still didn't know he wasn't getting it done.

[pbmax]

Please .... challenge yourself. A question like that is simply "YOU" spinning your wheels. Making 'only' so much smoke.

Try harder to not insult yourself mraynrand. I'm very positive this will be difficult for you or to determine a question for me:

That's relevant and any conversation and being competitive with the San Francisco 49ers and any team that may take them (The 49ers) out, in these playoffs.

Thanks.

Otherwise have a super day.

I don't think this is a good enough reason to avoid the question.

You are given two sets of facts and asked to reconcile. Playoffs 5 straight years and the best winning percentage beside New England in the League for any appreciable amount of time, plus a Super Bowl.

On the other side are 1 and done playoff exits at the hands of the Giants and 49ers.

You claim the latter is demonstration of McCarthy and Thompson having no common sense nor a plan to improve. You have said Thompson has no sense and McCarthy is incompetent That's fine, but explain the former in light of your conclusion.

But those observations don't square easily with their accomplishments.

[Zool]

I don't think this is a good enough reason to avoid the question.

You are given two sets of facts and asked to reconcile. Playoffs 5 straight years and the best winning percentage beside New England in the League for any appreciable amount of time, plus a Super Bowl.

On the other side are 1 and done playoff exits at the hands of the Giants and 49ers.

You claim the latter is demonstration of McCarthy and Thompson having no common sense nor a plan to improve. You have said Thompson has no sense and McCarthy is incompetent That's fine, but explain the former in light of your conclusion.

But those observations don't square easily with their accomplishments.

Maybe they accomplished those things in spite of themselves. Perhaps not. I'm voting not.

[Patler]

I agree with this, as a season at 8-8-1 is not a success, no matter Rodgers injury.

I am optimistic that eventually M3 found a QB, go him ready and put the offense back in gear. Another demonstration the guy knows what he is doing on offense.

But I am pessimistic that the D folded its tents at about the same time. Also pessimistic they missed so badly on Harrell. They can't help Wallace getting hurt or hope Tolzien becomes experienced in 3 weeks, but Harrell was here for 2-3 years and they still didn't know he wasn't getting it done.

The single biggest disappointment for me this season was the failure of the defense to make a difference. If there ever was a time to step out from the shadow of the offense, it was while AR walked the sidelines in street clothes. They had games against teams that were not very good, games that the defense should have controlled, but they didn't.

Their confidence in Harrell was odd, wasn't it? The only thing I can imagine to justify it is that maybe MM really wasn't blowing smoke a couple times when he said that in the classroom and at practice Harrell was dead on. Unfortunately, in games he was just dead.