M3 Season-Ending Presser

[Bretsky]

For what it's worth I think every year we are very disappointed in MM's presser
He does his best to imitate Ted Thompson's media philosophy on that day
When we were all hoping for the remova of Vanilla Bob he gave us nothing

If he doesn't Fire Slocum after this year...when looking at how horried our special teams in year after year......I'll have less respect.

While I've joined the wagon, I never expected Dom to get fired and I have mixed feeling there. Let's call a spade a spade TT has FAILED Dom Capers

[bobblehead]

I look at that collapse as a " Clearly ... TEAM LOSS". That game was simply blown south in a huge way. Too many to share the blame on that night's result.
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I deleted all the extra bluster from this post. You were talking about the Cincinnati game here. I just wanted to point out that 7 other teams lost in Cincinnati this year. They ran the table at home. They beat the Patriots.

In that gameday thread I stated that if you go into Cincinnati as an NFC team and you win, you got serious superbowl aspirations. We nearly did it despite several bad breaks. Losing this game in a nailbiter using our 3rd RB who fumbled the game away is NOT proof of any deficiency on our GM or coaches part. If it is, you have to lump Bill Belicheck in the same boat.

[pbmax]

What does it really matter what happened to Wallace? Every time I see it mentioned 'too bad about Wallace' I wonder why people wax poetic about what he could've been.

I think the Packers end up with the same record with him as they did without him before Flynn got to GB, 0-3. His performance in the Bears game was abysmal. 11/19 for 114yds and an INT. Couldn't win the game even with Lacy getting 150 yards on the ground.

I think Wallace, having gotten practice reps, would add another win or so, roughly the same as Flynn being backup since start of season. Not sure Detroit was salvageable but Eagles or Giants were winnable.

[denverYooper]

I think Wallace, having gotten practice reps, would add another win or so, roughly the same as Flynn being backup since start of season. Not sure Detroit was salvageable but Eagles or Giants were winnable.

This. Both of those games really turned on some bad INTs from Tolzien.

[woodbuck27]

For what it's worth I think every year we are very disappointed in MM's presser
He does his best to imitate Ted Thompson's media philosophy on that day
When we were all hoping for the remova of Vanilla Bob he gave us nothing

If he doesn't Fire Slocum after this year...when looking at how horried our special teams in year after year......I'll have less respect.

While I've joined the wagon, I never expected Dom to get fired and I have mixed feeling there. Let's call a spade a spade TT has FAILED Dom Capers

Hi B.:

I pay close attention to everything I can gleen from Mike McCarthy. I've observed that man grow more surly as the seasons roll on. Does that attitude of his bug me? Yes, it certainly does.

In fairness, I look at things even closer to try very hard to understand Mike McCarthy. Try to examine and understand his ways/manners/mannerisms (personality). Why? As a fan that's all I have. Is that hard on me? No it isn't ! I'm by nature (personality) and training a natural analyzer.

I desire a lot from Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson. Why? I'll go to part of my Green Bay Packer fan training/conditioning.

What has Vince Lombardi taught me:

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. ... Vince Lombardi

I'll explain to the membership a small part of what makes me tick:

In my career path which amounts to too much to go into here. I worked for over two decades in Engineering and Technology in many capacities in Canada's Nuclear Power Industy. I didn't take a job in that line of work. I targeted that Organization AECL Atomic Energy Canad Limited and in my grad year I was the first student to be offered employment in the entire Colleges Student body. I've based my entire life on achievement.

I never expected less from myself and in anything I'm a part of than to win. Only that is acceptable to me. If I feel the results of losing I want to turn that around ASAP. To get back to winning fast. The main focus of all I endeavour is based in that valued concept of living my life.

i.e.

** As a System Designer for the Instrumentation and Controls for Canada's Nuclear Power Plant Program. As a specially appointed member from the design team as an "Atomic Energy Worker".

** As the Lead Trouble Shooter and highest paid staff member in a four unit Power Plant. I worked my ass off. That energy so far remains with me today "knock on wood". In all important respects... I'm as vital as I was in my 20's /30's. I don't need Viagra ! Too much information? Screw yaa ! I was granted solid physical gifts. I've seldom compete and not come out the winner.

What did "Saint Vince" advise us Packer fans /NFL football fans on that one:

I paraphrase:

" Show me anyone (someone) that accepts losing ... and I'll show you a loser " Vince Lombardi

Continuing in a subsequent post... SEE Part 2 of woodbuck27:

GO PACK GO !

[pbmax]

Woody, I don't think anyone will seriously argue that the plan for the backup QBs this year worked well. I think McCarthy sold Thompson on Harrell being a good enough stop gap and they each expected significant progress from Coleman. Harrell failed to deliver and Coleman did not improve. McCarthy is still ticked about the CBA practice restrictions, and I bet Coleman is one reason why.

Flynn left last year, so you can claim this is an example of them getting a major item (though a backup item) wrong for two years. The backup QB is tough because its money spent for a player you never want to see hit the field. If you are wrong you go worse than 8-8-1, if you get it right you are 10-6 and might be on a roll for the playoffs. So it was a clear screwup and if I was performing their yearly evaluations, under Personnel Development, they would get a 2 - Less Than Satisfactory (1-5 scale).

However, I think the defense was a bigger failure and its on going problems are probably very complex.

On the plus side is that in the other 45 game day actives there are some very good players, who, with their first string QB, would have won the division going away, would have competed with Carolina for the second seed (maybe first seed as well) and we would be gearing up for the 49ers/Saints this week.

So I thing the overall arrow for the two is still pointing upward. Of greatest concern is the defense and why 3 competent people cannot make it work for three straight years.

[woodbuck27]

Part Two of woodbuck27:

My career path and experiences helped stamp me:

** That was followed by an appointment as " the Lead Commissioning Assistant " for The Point Lepreau Nuclear GS in it's post Construction >>> Commissioning>>> to Operations stage.

** Add to that the fact that I have a Degree in Technology Education from one of the leading Education Training Departments in Canada or the University of New Brunswick's (UNB) with a minor in Statistics - Analysis and Mathematics.

** Mix in the dubious responsibility of being selected as " Leader" pretty much all of my LIFE. Having that responsibility going back to pre-adolescence.

Then 'just maybe' any fellow member of Packerrats might get a better handle on:

Who I am and why I'm that way. I never invent me. I'm too wise for such personal nonsense. Such BS is hard to maintain day to day to day. I chose honesty a long time ago for BEST IN MY LIFE.

If I've got your back. I try extremely hard to ensure that anyone couldn't find a better man. I'm 'right there' and if anyone is ever confused in that arena he/she needs to communicate clearly with me. I'm constant in my service to LIFE and caring to see the BEST results.

I'll add this also. I AM ALL MAN. If I'm in your face exactly as I present myself here. I'm not likely going to change that. I'm happy with my contributions here and if any member isn't so be it. Deal with that as best serves you. You'll never be my victim. Don't make me yours.

I'm giving some of my testimony.

Opening up right now to inform Y'all of just why I'm woodbuck27:

It began long before the following and I'll elaborate:

I was chosen member of the lead crew of 1st Criticality and First Online Operations Crew, as a support representative from the Electrical, Instrumentation and Controls Dept. On top of that I looked out for the day to day work status of > 100 Technical Support Staff. I had a very busy and responsible job to attend to in an environment that overall grew to become an overwhelming success.

Note this:

" The Point Lepreau Nuclear Generating Station achieved record levels of availability on a World Scale in the Nuclear Power Industry with a 10-year average of 93.11% and generated over 5,000 GWh/year of energy on a sustained basis for its first decade of operations. " A direct quote

I was a very strong contributing with pride and honor a part of that success. I carry all of that forward to here. I'm a part of the success of *** Packerrats.

*** There's only one way that ends until I die. I have to be banned from Packerrats. Otherwise, Not one here has the ability, strength and POWER to run me off. That will or won't come down to this forums owner. Madtownpacker.

Do I consider that a possibility? Your damn right I do, and why? because I offer a perspective different than most of the membership and do so with courage...without FEAR.

Take what you may from this and I'll explain who I am in some more depth:

Looking back at my time employed at the Point Lepreau Nuclear GS:

I was 'only' a part of that excellence. Very happily and proudly so. I try to bring all of that here to Packerrats and under extreme criticism and knocks that I handle with all due care.

I'm always capable of handling bullshit. I always have.

When I observe Mike McCarthy's and Ted Thompson's efforts I see very good and very bad. These fellas can certainly annoy or piss me off just as i piss some of you off.

I've seen so much Green Bay Packers in now over 55 years loving the Green Bay Packers. That's right LEWCWA > 55 years I've been loyal as a Packer fan.

In eight of those years I've been a dedicated member of Packerrats. I've observed/endured a lot as a member of this forum and survived it all with overall satisfaction. I trust/hope that the membership has seen my contribution as far out weighing anything that's me and calls alarm to their positions.

I don't ever apologize for being woodbuck27 unless I'm certain I've transgressed a boundary I regret. then I try to be quick to do so. I try to overall promote harmony on this forum. If your upset with me take some time to examine that issue in yourself. Don't go all ape shit on woodbuck27.

I always say. Attack the post and never attack the poster. Too often members here fail themselves in that regard. If you feel I'm "your enemy" please don't make "YOU" mine. Why? Because if you go there it's like pissing into the wind. Pissing on a rope dangling over your feet.

Again I'll never sacrifice personal integrity and I never have. My integrity is based in a careful examination and then a stance on anything I deem important in my life. I consider myself extremely dedicated as a Green bay Packer fan. Not obsessed not fanatical... dedicated and having the best interests as a fan as the focus of my membership at Packerrats.

I've certainly posted here as I felt was proper and by far did so with manners. I will always stand in for my beliefs and my personality is based in integrity.

I'll never sacrifice 'MY INTEGRITY' at any cost to my conscience.

GO PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

Part Two of woodbuck27:

My career path and experiences helped stamp me:

** That was followed by an appointment as " the Lead Commissioning Assistant " for The Point Lepreau Nuclear GS in it's post Construction >>> Commissioning>>> to Operations stage.

** Add to that the fact that I have a Degree in Technology Education from one of the leading Education Training Departments in Canada or the University of New Brunswick's (UNB) with a minor in Statistics - Analysis and Mathematics.

** Mix in the dubious responsibility of being selected as " Leader" pretty much all of my LIFE. Having that responsibility going back to pre-adolescence.

Then 'just maybe' any fellow member of Packerrats might get a better handle on:

Who I am and why I'm that way. I never invent me. I'm too wise for such personal nonsense. Such BS is hard to maintain day to day to day. I chose honesty a long time ago for BEST IN MY LIFE.

If I've got your back. I try extremely hard to ensure that anyone couldn't find a better man. I'm 'right there' and if anyone is ever confused in that arena he/she needs to communicate clearly with me. I'm constant in my service to LIFE and caring to see the BEST results.

I'll add this also. I AM ALL MAN. If I'm in your face exactly as I present myself here. I'm not likely going to change that. I'm happy with my contributions here and if any member isn't so be it. Deal with that as best serves you. You'll never be my victim. Don't make me yours.

I'm giving some of my testimony.

Opening up right now to inform Y'all of just why I'm woodbuck27:

It began long before the following and I'll elaborate:

I was chosen member of the lead crew of 1st Criticality and First Online Operations Crew, as a support representative from the Electrical, Instrumentation and Controls Dept. On top of that I looked out for the day to day work status of > 100 Technical Support Staff. I had a very busy and responsible job to attend to in an environment that overall grew to become an overwhelming success.

Note this:

" The Point Lepreau Nuclear Generating Station achieved record levels of availability on a World Scale in the Nuclear Power Industry with a 10-year average of 93.11% and generated over 5,000 GWh/year of energy on a sustained basis for its first decade of operations. " A direct quote

I was a very strong contributing with pride and honor a part of that success.

Cont'd in Part Three of woodbuck27:

GO PACK GO !

[woodbuck27]

Part Three of woodbuck27:

I carry all of that forward to here. I'm a part of the success of *** Packerrats.

*** There's only one way that ends until I die. I have to be banned from Packerrats.

Otherwise, Not one here has the ability, strength and POWER to run me off. That will or won't come down to this forums owner. Madtownpacker.

Do I consider that a possibility? Your damn right I do. Why? Because I offer a perspective different than most of the membership and do so with courage ... without FEAR. I'm more tham 'the Devils Advocate "at times.

I try to exercise care in my stances. I don't relish being any martyr. I'm just a simple man if you make a decent effort to understand me. Too many of you don't seem to have that capascity. Your too into your own comfort zone in my observation and so be it. I can contend with all of you here. I've certainly proven that in the past and won't change.

If your going to take me out on the basis of anything disagreeing with you. March against me and I'll go down fighting for my beliefs, principles, observations and ideals.

Take what you may from this and I'll explain who I am in some more depth:

Looking back at my time employed at the Point Lepreau Nuclear GS:

I was 'only' a part of that excellence. Very happily and proudly so. I try to bring all of that here to Packerrats and under extreme criticism and knocks that I handle with all due care.

I'm always capable of handling bullshit. I always have.

When I observe Mike McCarthy's and Ted Thompson's efforts I see very good and very bad. These fellas can certainly annoy or piss me off just as i piss some of you off.

I've seen so much Green Bay Packers in now over 55 years loving the Green Bay Packers. That's right LEWCWA > 55 years I've been loyal as a Packer fan.

In eight of those years I've been a dedicated member of Packerrats. I've observed/endured a lot as a member of this forum and survived it all with overall satisfaction. I trust/hope that the membership has seen my contribution as far out weighing anything that's me and calls alarm to their positions.

I don't ever apologize for being woodbuck27 unless I'm certain I've transgressed a boundary I regret. then I try to be quick to do so. I try to overall promote harmony on this forum. If your upset with me take some time to examine that issue in yourself. Don't go all ape shit on woodbuck27.

I always say. Attack the post and never attack the poster. Too often members here fail themselves in that regard. If you feel I'm "your enemy" please don't make "YOU" mine. Why? Because if you go there it's like pissing into the wind. Pissing on a rope dangling over your feet.

Again I'll never sacrifice personal integrity and I never have. My integrity is based in a careful examination and then a stance on anything I deem important in my life. I consider myself extremely dedicated as a Green bay Packer fan. Not obsessed not fanatical... dedicated and having the best interests as a fan as the focus of my membership at Packerrats.

I've certainly posted here as I felt was proper and by far did so with manners. I will always stand in for my beliefs and my personality is based in integrity.

I'll never sacrifice 'MY INTEGRITY' at any cost to my conscience.

GO PACKERS !

[Pugger]

The single biggest disappointment for me this season was the failure of the defense to make a difference. If there ever was a time to step out from the shadow of the offense, it was while AR walked the sidelines in street clothes. They had games against teams that were not very good, games that the defense should have controlled, but they didn't.

Their confidence in Harrell was odd, wasn't it? The only thing I can imagine to justify it is that maybe MM really wasn't blowing smoke a couple times when he said that in the classroom and at practice Harrell was dead on. Unfortunately, in games he was just dead.

I think you have hit upon the truth in both of these paragraphs.

The only good thing that will come out of AR's injury is our defense's shortcomings saw the light of day and were no longer hidden by superior QB play and may now be more aggressively addressed.

You might be right about Graham Harrell too. He must have been one of those great practice players who fizzle under the bright lights. There can be no other logical explanation for MM to have stuck with that kid for so long. Maybe we'll now keep Flynn as AR's understudy like we did with Doug Pederson.

[Pugger]

What does it really matter what happened to Wallace? Every time I see it mentioned 'too bad about Wallace' I wonder why people wax poetic about what he could've been.

I think the Packers end up with the same record with him as they did without him before Flynn got to GB, 0-3. His performance in the Bears game was abysmal. 11/19 for 114yds and an INT. Couldn't win the game even with Lacy getting 150 yards on the ground.

Maybe. And maybe not. I would guess Wallace would have played better than Tolzien did in those 2 games and Flynn would still be unemployed. We don't know if Wallace could have won some of those games because he never got the opportunity. He was moving the team fairly well before he got hurt in that one game he started.

[woodbuck27]

I deleted all the extra bluster from this post. You were talking about the Cincinnati game here. I just wanted to point out that 7 other teams lost in Cincinnati this year. They ran the table at home. They beat the Patriots.

In that gameday thread I stated that if you go into Cincinnati as an NFC team and you win, you got serious superbowl aspirations. We nearly did it despite several bad breaks. Losing this game in a nailbiter using our 3rd RB who fumbled the game away is NOT proof of any deficiency on our GM or coaches part. If it is, you have to lump Bill Belicheck in the same boat.

" I deleted all the extra bluster from this post." bobblehead

What post bobblehead?

Couldn't you even offer the courtesy (decent respect) of posting the original post # Fr. this thread. Do you observe me acting that way? Which post are you exactly referring to bobblehead?

I'd appreciate that.... Thank You.

All the same:

What about "blowing a 16 point lead" in that game in Cincy?

What about "allowing 20 unanswered points"??

Sure the score was Cincy '4 points' over Packers but that loss was telling in many ways.

That loss was a clear picture of things we could look forward to as Packer fans in the 2013 season. It's too easy now to see that's the case in hindsight. Such observation better prepares for the future.

That loss set the RECORD at a losing One win and two Loss's. That caused tensions to rise. Things happened that went out of control.

Yes that loss in Cincy revealed so much more that would come to define the Green Bay Packers 2013 Season as an overall clear failure again.

It cannot be swept under the rug or explained away by referring to the Bengals 8-0 winning record at home in 2013.

There was far bigger fish to fry from that game then simply the result in the win-loss column.

Looking carefully at that game is telling "in/to the nth degree".

You must have been aware of the sideline blow up on Mike McCarthy's part. As a Head coach of any competence you must never ever go there. Thus we get some small insight into this "changing CULTURE" and the challenge that offers Mike McCarthy. That isolated screw up on his part is 'only' a small part of a much bigger 'hole' whole.

If Mc Carthy ever goes there again he might as well pack his bags in advance because Aaron Rodgers trumps his ass. Aaron Rodgers $ 55 Million$ or so guaranteed contract spells that out clearly. Mike Mccarthy has to get a grip. mind his "P's and Q's".

Can he stand "the HEAT". I predict not.

Mike McCarthy is so very close to losing his Locker room it's over the top too obvious. You don't need to be a fly on the wall to assess that's the case. You simply have to pay close attention as a Packer fan TRULY on TOP of it all.

You cannot get there if deluded or not open minded. All Rahh Rahh Packer fans are in for a huge let down if something doesn't flip really soon. I hate to be the messenger and that all too obvious assessment. I am as that's always been my role.

To face the real issues and problems head on without denial or procrastination.

The wiggle room is over.

TT and MM must convene on certain change ASAP.

GO PACKERS...GO PACK GO !

[Pugger]

Losing the locker room? Nonsense! He got that MASH unit of backups and PS kids still playing hard and giving it their all right until the bitter end. I'd wager if all the shit that happened to this team - guys dropping like flies every week and losing your 2 best players for almost half of the season - happened to another team that didn't have this strong a staff we would have looked like the 2013 Lions and imploded. I think you are a tad too gloom and doom.

[woodbuck27]

Losing the locker room? Nonsense! He got that MASH unit of backups and PS kids still playing hard and giving it their all right until the bitter end. I'd wager if all the shit that happened to this team - guys dropping like flies every week and losing your 2 best players for almost half of the season - happened to another team that didn't have this strong a staff we would have looked like the 2013 Lions and imploded. I think you are a tad too gloom and doom.

Nope ! You don't have this one right. Maybe take some real time to look again.

Me and gloom and doom. Ohh Dear. Hardly.

Your possible delusion (s) is causing you to misinterpret my stance.

I'm posting with an exact position of hoping that's avoided Pugger.

Examine it from the position of the man's own words. his latest BUZZ word.

The Teams "CULTURE" is changing. Always a challenge to deal with "the CULTURE changing".

Now add in MM's comments and too much emotion and needing time to wait for the emotional response to settle down.

This time it's NOT going where MM blindly expects it should in his "own mind".

Once the players on any team feel the results of bullshit. It's not long before they give up on the Head Coach; and that summons his exit PRONTO.

I've watched it happen over and over way too many times and Mike McCarthy doesn't have enough "job security " in Ted Thompson.

Mike McCarthy isn't immune to his own poison.

Look what happened with the great friendship and Joe Philbin and Mike Sherman in Miami last Monday. How much security did that "Joe and Mike" friendship / mentorship and long term association support Mike Sherman!??

That teams franchise? QB Ryan Tannihill wanted " Mike Sherman's head on a stick" and he got it. The Miami Dolphins GM...Mr. Jeff Ireland (that sucks) had to force Joe Philbin to execute his buddy Mike Sherman. That axe was to inevitably fall on Mike Sherman.

So much for integrity and Miami HC Joe Philbin. So much for "now former" Miami Dolphin GM Jeff Ireland. The Dolphin Organization got that piece of crap finally out of the way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Ireland#Miami_Dolphins

By the way Pugger. I saw that result a mile away. That one had to be determined as it was certainly necessary.

Do you want to see happen to the Green Bay Packers what was developing in the Miami Dolphins organization?

It's getting more and more dangerously closer to being; "just like that" and Packer HC Mike McCarthy. It's closing in on MM. If it closes in on Mike McCarthy is Ted Thompson far away from the core of the problem?

Ted Thompson has a job to do now. It's incumbent on Ted Thompson to wind Mike McCarthy in. Set Mike McCarthy on a more positive course. I'm not at all sure it's even worth it to go there. The bottom line is that all of Packer Nation needs to see some Big Change in Packers HC Mike McCarthy.


Mike McCarthy is dead in the water wrong Pugger and unless we see a complete adjustment and turn around. MM is as good as gone as the Green Bay Packers Head coach.

This is an easy prediction. Very easy !

GO PACK GO !

[Patler]

Flynn left last year, so you can claim this is an example of them getting a major item (though a backup item) wrong for two years. The backup QB is tough because its money spent for a player you never want to see hit the field. If you are wrong you go worse than 8-8-1, if you get it right you are 10-6 and might be on a roll for the playoffs. So it was a clear screwup and if I was performing their yearly evaluations, under Personnel Development, they would get a 2 - Less Than Satisfactory (1-5 scale).

On the other hand, they were decisive and at least somewhat aggressive in trying to fix it this year. They signed VY (probably should have done it earlier than they did), and they released Harrell in the first cutdown. Essentially, they gave him a last chance in the early preseason games, but didn't give him the entire camp this year. I was surprised at them not giving Coleman a second season, especially in view of the patience shown with Harrell. That was decisive on their part.

They went out and signed a well-seasoned backup in Wallace. I can't blame them for him getting hurt, nor can I judge whether their "fix" was successful or not. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. I do think that they were improved going into the season with Wallace and Tolzien over last year with Harrell and Coleman.