Robert McGinn end of season breakdown

[pbmax]

You think if Matt Flynn or better is starting in Sea or SF, we beat them? I don't. They will still put points because they have solid running games (will be able to run for many yards) and enough weapons to keep us honest and from stacking the box.

Nope. One dimensional running teams aren't a problem for the Packers to beat unless you are Adrian Peterson.

[bobblehead]

You can blame Bob McGinn (and me) for the downfall in Packer success.

Isn't it simply easier to open your minds. No that won't help at all.

It will be what it will become.

I blame him for nothing woody. I simply said that 2 months ago he called this the most talented packer team MM and TT have had. What changed in 2 months that the NFL has passed them by? The 2 stances are black and white. They are incompatible. Its simply not possible to BELIEVE that both are correct. If he could give me a reason that he COMPLETELY reversed course in 2 months I would give the article more credit.

[Bretsky]

Where do you rate Kaepernick?

I would rather have the following QBs off the top of my head (not looking at factors like age, etc).

1. Tom Brady
2. Ben Roethlisberger
3. Joe Flacco
4. Andrew Luck
5. Peyton Manning
6. Phillip Rivers
7. Eli Manning
8. Aaron Rodgers
9. Matt Stafford
10. Drew Brees

Maybe:
1. Nick Foles
2. Matt Ryan

That makes him a pretty middle-of-the-road starting QB imo. He has performed dynamically against the Packers, but just about every good QB throws for 400+ yards and has a big day.

As a Packer Fan I'd rather face a bunch of those QB's in the playoffs as opposed to Kapernik....who I detest.

[call_me_ishmael]

Just this year, I'd take him over Stafford, Eli Manning, Luck, and Flacco. Now subtract the remaining QBs from the rest of the NFL's starting QBs and ask how many of those remaining QBs the 49ers would like instead of Kap. They didn't want Alex Smith, and wouldn't want anyone less talented than that. Think they'd take Tannehill or Cousins or Romo over their guy? Not a chance. Point is that Kap is easily in the top ten, if not top 5 of NFL QBs, and with SF's defense and Hairball as coach, that's a recipe for three straight NFC Championship appearances.

I think they could put any of list of 12 on the team and be in the NFC championship team. Having the most #1 on a roster of any team does that when paired with good, motivating coaches. They have TONs of talent. Kaep is average to above average. Amazing arm. Great athlete. Couldn't beat Flacco with a much better team, though. Couldn't beat NYG with a similarly talented team. Won't beat SEA with a similarly talented team.

[call_me_ishmael]

You can disagree, and I can't prove you are wrong. I can simply say that with Kap, we were <> this close to beating them. I guess without him they might be just as good. It flies in the face of logic though.

I think the weather leveled the playing field. Play that game on a neutral field (indoor or outdoor, grass or turf) and we get molly whomped. They played SF about as good as I could imagine them playing week 1. They were closer than they are today, despite the score.

[call_me_ishmael]

As a Packer Fan I'd rather face a bunch of those QB's in the playoffs as opposed to Kapernik....who I detest.

I can't argue with that. He's a freakish athlete who wins. Maybe I'm selling him short. I don't know. He seems to have a hell of a lot of talent around him. They have Mike Crabtree, as vastly underrated receiver who was a top pick for a reason. A top 2-3 TE. The best OL in the NFL bar none. An aging but still very capable running game (tough runner). And a top 2-3 defense. I throw out the numbers when looking at defenses because it is tough to gauge (when you're ahead everyone is throwing on you, etc). The eye test says they have an elite defense that can win games by itself.

[woodbuck27]

I blame him for nothing woody. I simply said that 2 months ago he called this the most talented packer team MM and TT have had. What changed in 2 months that the NFL has passed them by? The 2 stances are black and white. They are incompatible. Its simply not possible to BELIEVE that both are correct. If he could give me a reason that he COMPLETELY reversed course in 2 months I would give the article more credit.

He's like some more in Packer Nation and saw enough to revise his view of the Packer leadership in terms of analysis.

People can change their opinions/views.

It certainly is OK and not uniquely rare to do so.

[pbmax]

Thought I had twice today on the ILBs. Saw other ILBs in coverage (Kuechly and Bowman) in trail coverage looking very much like Hawk and Jones.

The difference?

The safety over the top helping Bowman and the pass rush saving Kuechly by forcing a poor throw.

Now Hawk and Jones have trouble in run support as well, so I am not comparing them to the other two. But the struggles of the D overlap a bit and its easy to overestimate the number of new parts needed.

[call_me_ishmael]

Nope. One dimensional running teams aren't a problem for the Packers to beat unless you are Adrian Peterson.

Who says anything about one dimensional? They have defenses good enough to win the game single handedly. Flynn is good enough when paired with an elite defense and a running game to do well. I think it'd be a battle.

Both of these teams are what I would classify as elite in defense, and running game. The only place they will be lacking is the passing game - and having pro bowlers like Vern Davis and Mike Crabtree paired with copious time results in completions and moving the chains. They would still score and keep the ball out the Packers hands.

[bobblehead]

I think they could put any of list of 12 on the team and be in the NFC championship team. Having the most #1 on a roster of any team does that when paired with good, motivating coaches. They have TONs of talent. Kaep is average to above average. Amazing arm. Great athlete. Couldn't beat Flacco with a much better team, though. Couldn't beat NYG with a similarly talented team. Won't beat SEA with a similarly talented team.

My bad...are some on that list their backup QB?

[call_me_ishmael]

My bad...are some on that list their backup QB?

I don't understand what you mean.

[bobblehead]

I think the weather leveled the playing field. Play that game on a neutral field (indoor or outdoor, grass or turf) and we get molly whomped. They played SF about as good as I could imagine them playing week 1. They were closer than they are today, despite the score.

So...we come close in week 1 at their place, we almost beat them at our place, but they are far superior on a neutral field...they will molly whomp us. Got it.

[pbmax]

He's like some more in Packer Nation and saw enough to revise his view of the Packer leadership in terms of analysis.

People can change their opinions/views.

It certainly is OK and not uniquely rare to do so.

People who make these kinds of drastic revisions to their evaluations based on a small number of events (8 games?) have usually made 2 errors. Too optimistic on one side and too pessimistic on the other.

[pbmax]

Who says anything about one dimensional? They have defenses good enough to win the game single handedly. Flynn is good enough when paired with an elite defense and a running game to do well. I think it'd be a battle.

Both of these teams are what I would classify as elite in defense, and running game. The only place they will be lacking is the passing game - and having pro bowlers like Vern Davis and Mike Crabtree paired with copious time results in completions and moving the chains. They would still score and keep the ball out the Packers hands.

My error. One dimensional offense I meant. Packers have stopped them before, except for Peterson.

[call_me_ishmael]

So...we come close in week 1 at their place, we almost beat them at our place, but they are far superior on a neutral field...they will molly whomp us. Got it.

Touche. I suppose the first game, 34-28 was closer than I would guessed. We'll see. I don't know - I feel like SF is much, much better than us. I think it will catch up eventually once contracts come up for a lot of the young guys. They won't be able to keep the QB, the receivers, the LBs, etc. Starting to see it already with them not having the room to resign Gholston.