Robert McGinn end of season breakdown

[mraynrand]

If you take out Kap, Cam and Wilson the Packers cruise over any of them.

I totally agree, but really, this is a no brainer. Starting QBs on Divisional/Championship playoff teams are almost always one of, if not the main reason the team is there. Without their QBs, all those teams look a lot like the 2008 Minnesota Vikings.

[call_me_ishmael]

LOL

Where do you rate Kaepernick?

I would rather have the following QBs off the top of my head (not looking at factors like age, etc).

1. Tom Brady
2. Ben Roethlisberger
3. Joe Flacco
4. Andrew Luck
5. Peyton Manning
6. Phillip Rivers
7. Eli Manning
8. Aaron Rodgers
9. Matt Stafford
10. Drew Brees

Maybe:
1. Nick Foles
2. Matt Ryan

That makes him a pretty middle-of-the-road starting QB imo. He has performed dynamically against the Packers, but just about every good QB throws for 400+ yards and has a big day.

[call_me_ishmael]

I totally agree, but really, this is a no brainer. Starting QBs on Divisional/Championship playoff teams are almost always one of, if not the main reason the team is there. Without their QBs, all those teams look a lot like the 2008 Minnesota Vikings.

You think if Matt Flynn or better is starting in Sea or SF, we beat them? I don't. They will still put points because they have solid running games (will be able to run for many yards) and enough weapons to keep us honest and from stacking the box.

[mraynrand]

You think if Matt Flynn or better is starting in Sea or SF, we beat them? I don't. They will still put points because they have solid running games (will be able to run for many yards) and enough weapons to keep us honest and from stacking the box.

Did you see Matt Flynn play when he was competing with Wilson as a rookie in camp? And Wilson has improved dramatically since then. I'd love to give them Flynn and take Wilson off the field. Best thing for our defense. Like playing Minnesota with Webb as QB.

[mraynrand]

Where do you rate Kaepernick?

I would rather have the following QBs off the top of my head (not looking at factors like age, etc).

1. Tom Brady
2. Ben Roethlisberger
3. Joe Flacco
4. Andrew Luck
5. Peyton Manning
6. Phillip Rivers
7. Eli Manning
8. Aaron Rodgers
9. Matt Stafford
10. Drew Brees

Maybe:
1. Nick Foles
2. Matt Ryan

That makes him a pretty middle-of-the-road starting QB imo. He has performed dynamically against the Packers, but just about every good QB throws for 400+ yards and has a big day.

Just this year, I'd take him over Stafford, Eli Manning, Luck, and Flacco. Now subtract the remaining QBs from the rest of the NFL's starting QBs and ask how many of those remaining QBs the 49ers would like instead of Kap. They didn't want Alex Smith, and wouldn't want anyone less talented than that. Think they'd take Tannehill or Cousins or Romo over their guy? Not a chance. Point is that Kap is easily in the top ten, if not top 5 of NFL QBs, and with SF's defense and Hairball as coach, that's a recipe for three straight NFC Championship appearances.

[ThunderDan]

Just to get the real truth on the Ds rankings for teams that are left in the playoffs.
1. Sea
5. SF
19. Den
23. SD
26. NE

[mraynrand]

Some of you guys might actually have to acknowledge that the reason Flynn looks so much better as a GB QB, and looks like dog crap playing for other teams, is because the GB coach is an outstanding offensive mind.

[Guiness]

Some of you guys might actually have to acknowledge that the reason Flynn looks so much better as a GB QB, and looks like dog crap playing for other teams, is because the GB coach is an outstanding offensive mind.

Heretic!

[Guiness]

I totally agree, but really, this is a no brainer. Starting QBs on Divisional/Championship playoff teams are almost always one of, if not the main reason the team is there. Without their QBs, all those teams look a lot like the 2008 Minnesota Vikings.

Yup, haven't seen much else since the 2000 Ravens. Although I'm not so sure Eli had a whole lot to do with the Giant's 2007 victory.

[woodbuck27]

I believe about 2 months ago Bob wrote an article saying something like "MM and TT won't say it, but this was their most talented team yet. Injuries ruined what was to be their most successful season." Now they are dogshit, the league has passed them by, and they better change their ways.

I like Bob, generally speaking. He has a lot of knowledge about the game, and some good sources. I think he gets too much of his ideas for articles from over reacting fans though.

The Journal Sentinel’s Bob McGinn received the most distinguished honor in his field, after covering the GREEN BAY PACKERS for a span of over three decades.:

The McCann Memorial Award.

Bob McGinn received his reward at the Pro Football HOF ceremonies in Canton, Ohio.

It'a a well-deserved honor for one of the greatest football writers in the country.

Comment woodbuck27:

I'm not sure exactly what's happened with Ted Thompson over the last three seasons but it's obvious that he's struggling.

TT's likely feeling a little naked losing some great minds at 1265 Lombardi Ave. Ted Thompson lost IMO too much 'good help'. It's that back room stuff that can kick you in the ass. I'm sure that Ted Thompson is feeling the heat from such key loss's. We discussed this here right around the time we were enjoying our last Super Bowl. We knew that people would be pursued and the repercussions of that obvious.

Check out the improvements in NFL franchises after former Packer management personnel left for other pastures. ie Seattle and this past season KC. He lost Reggie McKenzie to the Oakland Franchise and that seems slower to come along and is maybe being re-assessed.

It's also been mentioned that maybe Ted Thompson's Scouting Dept. needs some change. That usually gets boo'd here.

I cannot read the article as my FREE access is already exhausted this month. I can well imagine the report on his observations as over the top too much is obvious now that's obviously not cool.

It's OK if you disagree with me. Your just wrong and it'll fall on you soon.

I'm afraid that as we see in too many organizations that slip badly after an unusual success. That feeling of self satisfaction and a false sense of security is walking hand in hand with what is a head shake and shoulder shrug or obvious symptoms of arrogance.

It'll all come out in the wash but unfortunately and likely not in a proper or timely fashion.

Aaron Rodgers is going to push his agenda forward I expect beginning next season. I think he has the power that Brett Favre didn't. You'll see that and I don't even write here that I informed you first.

You can blame Bob McGinn (and me) for the downfall in Packer success.

Isn't it simply easier to open your minds. No that won't help at all.

It will be what it will become.

[woodbuck27]

Just to get the real truth on the Ds rankings for teams that are left in the playoffs.
1. Sea
5. SF
19. Den
23. SD
26. NE

Your making a point there?

The Packers have to possibly play those teams at the TOP of your list to reach the Super Bowl.



The Top Four defenses ( as of Jan. 12 ,2014 ) in the NFL are all in the NFC:

Based on Points /Game:

#1 Seattle 14.4 P/G

#2 Carolina 15.1 P/G

#3 San Fran 17.0 P/G

#4 New Orleans 19.0 P/G

THE GREEN BAY PACKERS #24 and allowing 26.8 P/G

Opponent TOTAL Yards Per Game:

Green Bay: 25th @ 372.3 Y/G Vs Seattle 1st @ 273.6 Y/G; San Fran. 5th @ 316.9 Y/G

[Striker]

Yes, the Packers have some holes (ILB and S), but I find it amazing how fickle people are after a particularly bad injury plagued season.

The 49ers and Seahawks have both been pretty damn fortunate when it comes to injuries.

In 2012 the Seahawks/49ers had 11 and 8 games respectively missed by starters, whereas the Packers had 83.

This year, the numbers did jump, with the Seahawks and 49ers having 39 and 41, and the Packers had 70 (this is just counting starters).

[bobblehead]

I disagree. I think they win 6/10 on a good day if we're lucky. I think those teams could easily hold us to less than 20 points. I think our D is soft enough that they could still score. Certainly SF and Seattle. SF has a lot of weapons - I personally don't think Kaepernick is particularly good.

You can disagree, and I can't prove you are wrong. I can simply say that with Kap, we were <> this close to beating them. I guess without him they might be just as good. It flies in the face of logic though.

[red]

Yes, the Packers have some holes (ILB and S), but I find it amazing how fickle people are after a particularly bad injury plagued season.

The 49ers and Seahawks have both been pretty damn fortunate when it comes to injuries.

In 2012 the Seahawks/49ers had 11 and 8 games respectively missed by starters, whereas the Packers had 83.

This year, the numbers did jump, with the Seahawks and 49ers having 39 and 41, and the Packers had 70 (this is just counting starters).

because this isn't the first fucking time this team has been shit

3 years now we've been setting records on defense for futility

fickle? fuck that. we're sick of seeing the same shit happen week in and week out, same mistakes for 3 year. hell some of the mistakes like not covering anyone in the middle of the field have been problems for more then 3 years

[bobblehead]

I totally agree, but really, this is a no brainer. Starting QBs on Divisional/Championship playoff teams are almost always one of, if not the main reason the team is there. Without their QBs, all those teams look a lot like the 2008 Minnesota Vikings.

Yes, realize the context in which I made the post. Someone was saying something stupid such as the packers without Rodgers have no chance against these teams, but if you took their starting QB away they still are right there with us.