MM's management style

[bobblehead]

and if detroit makes 1 more play over the last 4 or 5 weeks we don't even make the playoffs

but only because ARod missed 8 weeks. And that probably happened because we lost Bulaga before the season. Minus incredible bad luck with injuries, this team is still a competitor for the superbowl every year.

edit: I forgot that we were also without our highest paid defensive player, and our shutdown corner got hurt like 3 plays into the SF game...good god, how was that game close?

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Its a good debate but I bow to the M3 supporters as me thinks M3 is not going anywhere for several years, maybe even past Rogers leaving the Packers or retiring, cause I think that is what it will take for us to get shitty again.

[mraynrand]

Because we were fingertips away from defeating SF (though we wouldn't likely have beaten seattle) I think MM has to stick for another year or two. His window is closing, not because he isn't good enough, but because NFL coaches do get stale and burned out. Look at Andy Reid, definitely stale in Philly, but he turned KC around big time.

I'm gonna have to go ahead and sort of disagree with you there


I think the Packers are keeping pretty fresh, considering all the guys they've lost, especially from the FO.

As far as coaches, I like the mix of bringing in young guys to teach (Packers teach them) and established guys to give a different perspective(to the Packers). I'm on the fence with regard to Capers due to the uncertainty caused by the injuries, but he's probably gonna retire and be replaced soon and that has the chance of revitalizing that side of the ball.

I think Stubby adjusts the offense as needed and has vision. Specifically, I think the drafting of Lacy and the concentration on the running game was actually pretty proactive to counter the brutal defenses of the 49ers and Seahawks while protecting the QB.

[mraynrand]

and if detroit makes 1 more play over the last 4 or 5 weeks we don't even make the playoffs

If Sherman falters on one step, Seattle doesn't even get to the Super Bowl. If Hyde jumps an inch higher, SF doesn't make it to the Divisional round.

[red]

and i will never forgive M3 for the epic failure of not winning that second super bowl in 2011

go 15-1 and get beat in you first game of the playoffs to a team who was beneath you, everyone was below us that season. IMO, there is no excuse for not winning back to back

[channtheman]

this is why i brought up during the season that if we really want to fix the big problems with the team, we're going to have to get rid of M3

he's just too damn loyal to his friend, and unfortunately, his friend is the biggest liability to this club

he sees that there are problems, he even sometimes seems to know what those problems are. but he rarely if ever fixes those problems

he says we need to get those problems fixed, but he never does, and i feel he can't

so the question becomes. do the good things M3 brings to the table out weight the many problems that arise from his presence and complete inability to fix said problems?

I agree completely. I was just talking to my dad yesterday about MM. The ST and Defense have been problems for a while, injuries this and injuries that all you want, they are problems. MM won't fire his DC or ST coordinator. MM has to go then, IMO. And if MM doesn't get let go, than TT is the next man up. Yeah we won a Super Bowl with them, but this is a win now league and we are wasting Rodgers prime years fucking around with 1/3 of a team. Enough already.

[ThunderDan]

Yes, I remember them all, which is why I say we are stuck with M3 until we go in the shitter again. Look how long those piss poor coaches lasted. And while I acknowledge all the points the M3 supporters make, there is nothing wrong with wanting MORE, or something better for the Packers. I want another Super Bowl. Getting to the playoffs, and getting knocked out early is getting old.

Well if that is your criteria, Super Bowls, here is who should shit can their coach:

Dallas
PHI
WASH
NO
Car
ATL
TB
CHI
DET
MINN
StL
SF
ARI
NE
NYJ
MIA
BUFF
PITT
CLE
CIN
HOU
IND
JACK
TENN
OAK
SD
KC
DEN

Those are the 28 teams that have not won a Super Bowl as recently as GB.

[Pugger]

and i will never forgive M3 for the epic failure of not winning that second super bowl in 2011

go 15-1 and get beat in you first game of the playoffs to a team who was beneath you, everyone was below us that season. IMO, there is no excuse for not winning back to back

I got a feeling that if you were a Bronco fan you'd be leading the charge to fire Fox because of how crappy Denver played in the SB. In a single elimination tournament you have one off day and you are screwed. There is no way in hell we would have been 8-7-1 if Rodgers plays the entire season. BTW, that team that beat us after a 15-1 season went on to win the whole damn thing just like we did in 2010 so I don't know if I'd say they were beneath us.

[Pugger]

Yes, I remember them all, which is why I say we are stuck with M3 until we go in the shitter again. Look how long those piss poor coaches lasted. And while I acknowledge all the points the M3 supporters make, there is nothing wrong with wanting MORE, or something better for the Packers. I want another Super Bowl. Getting to the playoffs, and getting knocked out early is getting old.

Yes, but you gotta get into the playoffs first. It sucks we were one and done again but this year with this MASH unit it was a minor miracle we got in at all. If we just have a normal number of injuries and fill in a couple of defensive holes 2014 could be a lot of fun.

[bobblehead]

BTW, that team that beat us after a 15-1 season went on to win the whole damn thing just like we did in 2010 so I don't know if I'd say they were beneath us.

That can't be right. We sucked, that team MUST have lost their next game.

[3irty1]

I think this could be one of the rare times we're over analyzing. People make too much of the various job titles of the coaching staff IMO. In reality, each of them is specialist. Zook could have been brought in to oversee just one piece of special teams.

Anyone looking to can McCarthy has got some serious armchair GM hubris. MM has proven to be one of the finest game planners, play callers, and all-around offensive minds in the league. He approaches the game with a philosophy and thus is constantly evolving as quickly or quicker than the league he's in. He's as good as there is on that side of the ball. Most of the fans that I've talked to don't like him because he's generally calm on the sidelines. Not screaming and grabbing face masks. IMO fans who want that kind of coach are idiots. If your players needed that kind of motivation they don't belong in the NFL, much less Green Bay.

[red]

i can't take this fucking place anymore

most you fucking idiots have your heads so far up the teams ass that you can't smell the shit

fuck this place

packer rats, home to the best packer cool aid around

DRINK UP

[mraynrand]

i can't take this fucking place anymore

most you fucking idiots have your heads so far up the teams ass that you can't smell the shit

fuck this place

packer rats, home to the best packer cool aid around

DRINK UP

If you want, I can recommend for Cleveland Browns sites for you.

[Pugger]

If you want, I can recommend for Cleveland Browns sites for you.

Or Jacksonville, Nashville, Houston, Oakland, Buffalo, NJ Jets, Miami, DC, Tampa, Minneapolis...

Yes, losing in the playoffs sucks but not sniffing the playoffs is even worse. Some of you people are freaking spoiled and didn't endure the Dark Times in the 70s and 80s when we were horrendous.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Or Jacksonville, Nashville, Houston, Oakland, Buffalo, NJ Jets, Miami, DC, Tampa, Minneapolis...

Yes, losing in the playoffs sucks but not sniffing the playoffs is even worse. Some of you people are freaking spoiled and didn't endure the Dark Times in the 70s and 80s when we were horrendous.

Well, I am both. Old enough to have lived thru the dark ages, and yes still spoiled by recent success. However, I still believe M3 is not a great overall coach. Is he horrible? No. He is a good offensive mind, but he lacks the overall leadership to drive improvements on both sides of the ball, and he is too loyal to his incompetent sub-coaches. But again, in the Packer org, Oldbutnotdeadyet's opinion does not mean shit, and I believe we will live with M3 until we die with M3.