Finley getting 57th opinion on his neck today

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Finley is much better than the likes of Quarless. Richard Rodgers looks he'll be a JAG in the Quarless mold to me. Finley changes how defenses cover us. None of our other guys do. (Lyerla does have the talent to be that kind of guy.)

I'm not buying that. He draws little linebacker coverage, but even when its the 3/4 CB or a safety, its single coverage. No one rolls coverage to him. Captain crossing route hasn't made that kind of dent in a while. Not since the knee injury.

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[woodbuck27]

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Your Johnny on the spot... I corrected for that already.


Thanks pbmax... and have a great day.

[Patler]

Finley is much better than the likes of Quarless. Richard Rodgers looks he'll be a JAG in the Quarless mold to me. Finley changes how defenses cover us. None of our other guys do. (Lyerla does have the talent to be that kind of guy.)

Finley CAN do those things, but too often does not. He does not do them standing on the sidelines with yet another injury. It seemed to me that defenses were becoming less and less concerned about him as his problems with drops continued from one season to the next. He is an inconsistent blocker on top of the injury and drop issues. He is a veteran player going into his 7th season. Basically, he is a player that can not be relied on because of injuries, drops and inconsistent effort and technique in blocking. I don't expect any of that to change, but he still will do things to get people excited from time to time.

He is the Jeff George of tight ends. A guy who has ability to be much better than his actual performances for many reason, including injuries. Every time Jeff George was available, the press and fans went crazy, and every where he went, his actual performance failed to live up to their hopes and expectations.

Finley will continue to suffer from injuries. He will continue having issues with drops. He will continue to be an inconsistent blocker. The trick is determining what value he has apart from those things.

Keeping him in GB would, however, be quite interesting if he can be paired with a healthy and experienced Quarless, a focused Lyerla and an up and coming reliable Rodgers. It would allow Finley to focus on what he does best, while still presenting reasonable options in the passing game with the other TEs. In view of Finley's history, I juts don't want to see them risk a lot of cap dollars with Finley

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Rob Demovsky @RobDemovsky 1m
Source on Finley added: "It's a formality, no testing. Nothing more, nothing less." #Packers
Details coming on http://ESPN.com soon

Rob Demovsky @RobDemovsky 2m
Source said Finley had plans to travel to GB w/his family. While in town will check in w/ #Packers docs b/c he has not seen them recently.

[woodbuck27]

Finley CAN do those things, but too often does not. He does not do them standing on the sidelines with yet another injury. It seemed to me that defenses were becoming less and less concerned about him as his problems with drops continued from one season to the next. He is an inconsistent blocker on top of the injury and drop issues. He is a veteran player going into his 7th season. Basically, he is a player that can not be relied on because of injuries, drops and inconsistent effort and technique in blocking. I don't expect any of that to change, but he still will do things to get people excited from time to time.

He is the Jeff George of tight ends. A guy who has ability to be much better than his actual performances for many reason, including injuries. Every time Jeff George was available, the press and fans went crazy, and every where he went, his actual performance failed to live up to their hopes and expectations.

Finley will continue to suffer from injuries. He will continue having issues with drops. He will continue to be an inconsistent blocker. The trick is determining what value he has apart from those things.

Keeping him in GB would, however, be quite interesting if he can be paired with a healthy and experienced Quarless, a focused Lyerla and an up and coming reliable Rodgers. It would allow Finley to focus on what he does best, while still presenting reasonable options in the passing game with the other TEs. In view of Finley's history, I juts don't want to see them risk a lot of cap dollars with Finley

Jermichael Finley wants to be "somewhere" AND "$$$$ in there $$$$".

[mraynrand]

Finley CAN do those things, but too often does not. He does not do them standing on the sidelines with yet another injury.

Injury Prone!

[Patler]

Injury Prone!

Finley is prone to many things, injuries being just one of them.

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Sometimes, he is just flat out prone.

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Blake Baratz @blakebaratz 16m
Easier 2 answer every1 at once: @JermichaelF88 is making tremendous strides, is in the best shape of his life, & this is a process.#Patience

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'm not buying that. He draws little linebacker coverage, but even when its the 3/4 CB or a safety, its single coverage. No one rolls coverage to him. Captain crossing route hasn't made that kind of dent in a while. Not since the knee injury.

Changing how defenses cover us doesn't just mean he was getting double covered. Defenses having to put a safety on him changes how defenses cover us. It opens things up for other guys. Come on now. People act like the guy is average. I trust Ted Thompson thinks this guy makes more of a difference than some on here think or he wouldn't have given him all that money. The guy is a good player, and he'll be missed. Can we overcome the loss of him? Of course, outside of Rodgers, we can overcome the loss of any one player.

McCarthy reiterated his admiration for the matchup problems Finley poses for opponents. "When you look at Jermichael," McCarthy said, "and you go on the other side of the ball or you talk to any of the defensive guys that played against him, he's a matchup challenge for defenses. I think his best routes are when we're attacking the middle of the field with him. I think he's unique that way. Big target, excellent in the red zone."

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/extra-points/2013/what-jermichael-finley-means-packers

The formation flexibility that Finley brought had the double reward of making the Packers unpredictable and the defense extra predictable. Often the way a defense responded to Finley’s alignment before the snap revealed whether the coverage was man or zone. And those coverages tended to be more basic because defensive coordinators were worried about whichever one of their linebackers, safeties or backup corners was caught on the wrong end of a mismatch.

[Brandon494]

What's the eye roll for? It wasn't a criticism of him, just a comment on the way his career has evolved, influenced more by injuries than anything.

At some point, and I would suggest with six seasons in the bank the point has come, it should be realized that is career trajectory is set. Can he possible still have a big year? Sure. But something will likely always get in the way of a truly fantastic season. First it was immaturity, then leg injuries, followed by a knee injury and surgery. Then, a concussion followed by the neck injury and another surgery. Drops have made him unreliable for long stretches, even when he was otherwise healthy.

He's never had an 800 yard season. He has had 3 games of 100 yards or more, the last in 2010. He has had four games of 80-100 yards, the last in 2011.

He seems to get press based on potential, because injuries and some of his own failings (drops) have suppressed his actual performance. But press based on potential for a skill position player entering his 7th season seems misplaced, in my opinion.

That said, I would like to see him back in GB, but not if it takes a big contract to get him there. I think that would be wasted money.

You were trying to downgrade him with that comment knowing he hasn't played a full 6 seasons and knowing how Rodgers likes to spread the ball around. Finley is still a top 8 TE in the league when healthy and the defense still has to account for him on the field. Now I've gone on the record and stated we should move on from Finley but to complain about him getting too much press about 2-3 short articles deserves an

[Brandon494]

Changing how defenses cover us doesn't just mean he was getting double covered. Defenses having to put a safety on him changes how defenses cover us. It opens things up for other guys. Come on now. People act like the guy is average. I trust Ted Thompson thinks this guy makes more of a difference than some on here think or he wouldn't have given him all that money. The guy is a good player, and he'll be missed. Can we overcome the loss of him? Of course, outside of Rodgers, we can overcome the loss of any one player.

OFT

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Changing how defenses cover us doesn't just mean he was getting double covered. Defenses having to put a safety on him changes how defenses cover us. It opens things up for other guys. Come on now. People act like the guy is average. I trust Ted Thompson thinks this guy makes more of a difference than some on here think or he wouldn't have given him all that money. The guy is a good player, and he'll be missed. Can we overcome the loss of him? Of course, outside of Rodgers, we can overcome the loss of any one player.



http://www.footballoutsiders.com/ext...-means-packers

Think about what you are suggesting. He is such a threat that a Defense responds to him like he is a 3rd or 4th WR. Disinclined to cover him with a LB. But no rolled over safety or double team. That is praise of his athletic gifts and height, but its not an alteration of coverage. It means he faces nickel and dime more often. Which makes him more of a benefit to the run game than the pass in matchup terms.

He is athletic enough to present a matchup problem to whoever has him singled in coverage, which is what I take McCarthy's statement to mean. But he is not enough of a threat to alter the scheme. If the Packers are satisfied to see more nickel and dime (which helps the run game) that is fine. But its faint praise of a TE. Tyrone Davis used to draw that coverage.

On the negative side of the ledger, he doesn't block well enough to be of much use in line, which would be a primary way he could take advantage of the D's answer to his matchup problem. He doesn't beat zone coverage enough to alleviate the team problem with Cover 2 man because he is ineffective in the deep middle.

He is only a threat if he can catch something short and break a long run.

My issue with him is that he is a shell of his former self. He might still be more of a threat than any other TE on the roster, which is more a condemnation of the roster than a commendation of Finley.

[Brandon494]

He is only a threat if he can catch something short and break a long run.

My issue with him is that he is a shell of his former self. He might still be more of a threat than any other TE on the roster, which is more a condemnation of the roster than a commendation of Finley.