Finley getting 57th opinion on his neck today

[Brandon494]

I can't stand that ass clown.

[Patler]

He just turned 27...hes in his prime, that statement might be true if he was a RB.

I didn't say his career was over, I said he was entering the downside of a typical career. How many are still playing effectively at 33-34? Even if he is at the peak of his career, the end will come up soon enough. For the typical athlete, the second half of his career means even more injuries, and for Finley that could hasten the end of his career even earlier than for many, assuming it isn't already done.

[Patler]

I can't stand that ass clown.

Sorry, I must have been mistaking you for someone else I argued with a year or two ago about McGinn. I feel pretty much the same about him, except for the two things I mentioned above.

[Brandon494]

If we resigned him it will be a one year deal, two at the most so your point is mute. Also its not like hes had the same recurring injuries, they have just been bad luck. His first injury came in 2010 when Donald Lee fumbled and he hurt his knee trying to make a tackle. Then the neck injury last season when the Browns safety leading with the helmet hit.

[pbmax]

McGinn's numbers show how tough it is to get a good reading on drops. Rand's site has him with the second best rate on the team (Cobb is first) and only one drop.

Football Outsiders has him with a catch rate of 74% of targets, Nelson at 67%, Boykin at 59%, Jones at 63%, Cobb at 66 and White at 75%.

Its one area that eyeballs are better than stats, at least in the short term.

[Patler]

If we resigned him it will be a one year deal, two at the most so your point is mute. Also its not like hes had the same recurring injuries, they have just been bad luck. His first injury came in 2010 when Donald Lee fumbled and he hurt his knee trying to make a tackle. Then the neck injury last season when the Browns safety leading with the helmet hit.

No, its not mute; in fact, it isn't even moot! (Sorry, I shouldn't do that, but the "mute" vs. "moot" one always gets me for some reason! Now I have really opened myself up, haven't I???)

The last two year deal turned out being not so good for the team, in my opinion, and I don't want to see them waste a lot of cap space on him again. I know, I know, he had the 61 receptions in 2012, but the yardage wasn't there (sort of Bubba Franks-like) and there were the other issues mentioned previously.

One injury after another is just as bad as the same one over and over; but we can always hope that it will end, just as we do with Matthews and his hammies.

[Brandon494]

Whites stats are pointless since he only had 12 targets, Quarless was at 60.4% though.

[Brandon494]

No, its not mute; in fact, it isn't even moot! (Sorry, I shouldn't do that, but the "mute" vs. "moot" one always gets me for some reason! Now I have really opened myself up, haven't I???)

The last two year deal turned out being not so good for the team, in my opinion, and I don't want to see them waste a lot of cap space on him again. I know, I know, he had the 61 receptions in 2012, but the yardage wasn't there (sort of Bubba Franks-like) and there were the other issues mentioned previously.

One injury after another is just as bad as the same one over and over; but we can always hope that it will end, just as we do with Matthews and his hammies.

One injury after another? He didn't miss a game in 2011 and 2012. Also don't know how his last deal didn't turn out good for us by wasting a lot of cap? Who did we miss out on by signing Finley? Last I checked we are among the top in cap space in the NFL every year. Also if we didn't resign him who would have started at TE with Quarless injured in 2011 and 2012?

[pbmax]

Whites stats are pointless since he only had 12 targets, Quarless was at 60.4% though.

Both White and Cobb are under the qualifying line for season totals as FO calculates it.

[Patler]

One injury after another? He didn't miss a game in 2011 and 2012. Also don't know how his last deal didn't turn out good for us by wasting a lot of cap? Who did we miss out on by signing Finley? Last I checked we are among the top in cap space in the NFL every year. Also if we didn't resign him who would have started at TE with Quarless injured in 2011 and 2012?

I was referring to your statement about Finley suffering a number of different injuries rather than a recurring one. I didn't mean injuries following in rapid succession. (see my earlier posts about his injuries).

Regarding cap space, money wasted is money wasted; and since it now rolls forward it can always benefit you in the future, maybe even years later, just like a personal rainy day fund. Any player who underperforms what he is paid hurts the salary cap situation to some extent.

Had they not paid Finley, or not paid him so much, maybe they would have felt more comfortable paying Wells that same year (we can wonder if that would have been any better). The even more space now might have made them comfortable retaining EDS this year, and/or Jones; or extending both Nelson and Cobb (we don't know how those will turn out). Could they have done at least some those anyway? Sure, but the current group seems unlikely to push cap limits if they can help it.

[mraynrand]

Had they not paid Finley, or not paid him so much, maybe they would have felt more comfortable paying Wells that same year (we can wonder if that would have been any better).

It's just too tempting not to mention Wells! 0% drop rate! 0/5 on shoe untying in 2013 though. Needs improvement, but he only started 12 games. Injury Prone!

[woodbuck27]

In the 2011 season Jermichael Finley had by far his best season as a Green Bay Packer TE.

He dressed for 16 games and started 13.

He had 55 receptions for 767 yards a 13.9 Y/C Avg. and 8 TD's.

He had a long of 41 yards; 3.4 receptions/game and 47.9 yards/game.



In the remainder of his career he started "only" 35 games....or an average of seven (7) starts/season.

He had 168 Receptions for 2018 yards and "only" 12 TD's....or 2.4 TD's /season for five (5) seasons.

He averaged 3.36 receptions/game and 41.84 Y/G.

His stat's and injury record aren't impressive and he cannot be counted on as a blocker; yet he still manages to make the top ten of the NFL TE rankings as analysts see active TE's.

Active TE's !?

Isn't this one of the real issues and JerMichael Finley and seriously doesn't he make too much money for what he contributes?

Does he really expect that Ted Thompson will reward him with what he was being paid for a little better than 2 TD's of offense /season take away the 2011 season?

That to me is why? I consider JF back as a Green Bay Packer NO. 1 TE a long shot proposition.

[Bretsky]

I agree Finley does not deserve big money this year; he's been hurt too much and has produced too little.

With that being said, he's still one of the most talented TE's in the NFL and I'll take him back for a year.

But if we do take him back.....can we do a round 3 repick ?

This of our glut. Ryan Taylor is a perfect last TE because he's an ok blocker who excels at special teams. Quarless is a fine backup who IMO can play. Bostik I think has some talent and then we've got out 3rd round draft pick Rodgers who IMO TT really reached for. Seems to be a high character guy who lacks speed and upside. We already have those. I really think TT was going with the ND Tight End in round two but he got nabbed right in front of us.
If he falls to us than we probably end up with Moncrief in round 3 and Wist would be in heaven

[woodbuck27]

I agree Finley does not deserve big money this year; he's been hurt too much and has produced too little.

With that being said, he's still one of the most talented TE's in the NFL and I'll take him back for a year.

But if we do take him back.....can we do a round 3 repick ?

This of our glut. Ryan Taylor is a perfect last TE because he's an ok blocker who excels at special teams. Quarless is a fine backup who IMO can play. Bostik I think has some talent and then we've got out 3rd round draft pick Rodgers who IMO TT really reached for. Seems to be a high character guy who lacks speed and upside. We already have those. I really think TT was going with the ND Tight End in round two but he got nabbed right in front of us.
If he falls to us than we probably end up with Moncrief in round 3 and Wist would be in heaven

Good analysis B.

[Patler]

I agree Finley does not deserve big money this year; he's been hurt too much and has produced too little.

With that being said, he's still one of the most talented TE's in the NFL and I'll take him back for a year.

But if we do take him back.....can we do a round 3 repick ?

This of our glut. Ryan Taylor is a perfect last TE because he's an ok blocker who excels at special teams. Quarless is a fine backup who IMO can play. Bostik I think has some talent and then we've got out 3rd round draft pick Rodgers who IMO TT really reached for. Seems to be a high character guy who lacks speed and upside. We already have those. I really think TT was going with the ND Tight End in round two but he got nabbed right in front of us.
If he falls to us than we probably end up with Moncrief in round 3 and Wist would be in heaven

Don't forget the wild card in the TE game....Colt Lyerla.

Some more insight into his background from people who know him:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packe...261042541.html