In Play at the OTAs (2014)

[Patler]

I hope this solve the mystery of where I got "solid" from.



I never said that Manderich was better than Colledge. Colledge's may have had some solid years, but they weren't in Green Bay.
Truth > made up shit

...and I never said my list was a "list of TT's oline gems". I did describe it as a list all of TT's O-line draft picks, "for discussion purposes".

So, who is writing the "made up shit"???

Kind of interesting to note that 11 of his last 12 O-line draft choices, going back to Allen Barbre in 2007 are all still playing in the league. They aren't stars by any stretch, but still good enough to hold down roster spots. Two of the five in the two years prior to that were on roster last year, and another is still considered by teams. In fact, only 3 of his 17 draft picks had seemingly dead NFL careers as of 2013. Maybe he hasn't correctly evaluated potential stars, but as far as finding guys capable of playing in the NFL, he has done a pretty good job, especially when you add in the free agents he has found like EDS and Barclay.

Overall, rebuilding the O-line has been a work in progress for 10 years, and they aren't there yet. Probably a combination of factors causing it, and TT shares some of the blame.

[Brandon494]

What do the Offensive Lines of Elite Offenses ACTUALLY Look Like?

http://www.thephinsider.com/2014/3/2...look-like-part

Interesting piece I found on offensive lines of the top offenses in the NFL.

[Just Jeff]

Packers fans are spoiled brats, other teams are complaining about not having a QB while you guys are complaining about TT letting go of a center past his prime.

FYI there is a reason centers get paid the least of all offensive lineman.

If you can find an NFL message board where people don't complain about every aspect of their team, I'll buy you a hamburger at KFC.

[Patler]

What do the Offensive Lines of Elite Offenses ACTUALLY Look Like?

http://www.thephinsider.com/2014/3/2...look-like-part

Interesting piece I found on offensive lines of the top offenses in the NFL.

Interesting article/analysis. I found the following particularly interesting:

So my previous article concluded that most top-10 offenses have 2 or 3 early round picks on the offensive line along with 2-3 complementary players in the later rounds (round 4 or later). The majority either had just 1 Pro Bowler or none. Nearly half started 1 rookie, and the 2nd best scoring offense in the NFL (Bears) started 2 rookies, including one in round 5. That was based purely on draft pedigree.

If Bulaga and Sherrod could get on and stay on the field, GB would fit very nicely into that description. Maybe TT's approach wasn't so screwed up after all?

[mraynrand]

So then you don't think that Colledge is solid? Thanx for agreeing with my original premise, that you went to pains to discredit, which was, TT has done a terrible job of developing our Oline.

I did no such thing. Try again. Your reading comprehension is at about the third grade level at this point.

[Just Jeff]

I did no such thing. Try again. Your reading comprehension is at about the third grade level at this point.

Sure you did. If I say that Colledge was amongst a list of busts, as posted by Patler, and you disagree, then you are discrediting my original premise. When you call him "solid" by any means, that's what you are doing. Then when you come back and say that you didn't mean "solid" to mean solid, just better than another bum that I called a bust, you are now having a healthy debate between youself. But rather than post like a little girl, parsing words, it might just be easier to state your opinion about the state of our Oline, as I did. We may not agree, but I'll just come out and tell you that I don't agree with you, rather than trip over my own works for multiple posts.

[Just Jeff]

I did no such thing. Try again. Your reading comprehension is at about the third grade level at this point.

I went to a public school, so I do appreciate the assessment of my reading skills. Maybe you can tell me in plain third grade english, which one applies to Colledge's performance in Green Bay

Solid
Not Solid

[Rutnstrut]

Packers fans are spoiled brats, other teams are complaining about not having a QB while you guys are complaining about TT letting go of a center past his prime.

FYI there is a reason centers get paid the least of all offensive lineman.

If TT keeps trying to make subpar O-lineman work, we WILL be complaining about not having a QB, as Rodgers will be hurt.

[run pMc]

What do the Offensive Lines of Elite Offenses ACTUALLY Look Like?

http://www.thephinsider.com/2014/3/2...look-like-part

Interesting piece I found on offensive lines of the top offenses in the NFL.

I thought this was pretty interesting quote:

So looking at that chart, the majority of the offensive lines of top-10 offenses had at least 2 good players, according to PFF. However, they also had at least 2 average or bad players and that nonetheless didn't stop their offense from being top-10 in the NFL.

FWIW, GB comes in ranked overall as #10.

A healthy Bulaga replaces Barclay and upgrades the line. A stronger, wiser Bahktiari (assuming he beats Sherrod) will be an improvement at LT. I think Tretter will be at least as good as EDS if not better at C. The line improves on these things.

TT's record for OL isn't bad IMO, bearing in mind he's rarely drafted in the Top 10 and when he has he focused elsewhere with his pick than with a prototypical franchise LT. The Orlando Paces and John Ogdens of the world get picked fast in R1.

[mraynrand]

I went to a public school, so I do appreciate the assessment of my reading skills. Maybe you can tell me in plain third grade english, which one applies to Colledge's performance in Green Bay

Solid
Not Solid

In my view, somewhere in between.

[mraynrand]

Sure you did. If I say that Colledge was amongst a list of busts, as posted by Patler, and you disagree, then you are discrediting my original premise. When you call him "solid" by any means, that's what you are doing.

First, I did not call him 'solid' except in relation to Manwich. Second, your original premise was "TT has done a terrible job of developing our Oline." Since I was only evaluating Colledge with respect to Manwich, a comparison of one so-so GB lineman drafted by TT, to another terrible lineman not drafted by TT, I believe anyone at the third grade level should know that this is insufficient data and analysis with which to draw broad conclusion regarding your original premise that "TT has done a terrible job of developing our Oline."

[Guiness]

What's with the Colledge hate? No problem with his play (at guard!) in GB. IIRC he went to Arizona because they outbid the Pack, not because he wasn't wanted back.

[bobblehead]

I hope this solve the mystery of where I got "solid" from.



I never said that Manderich was better than Colledge. Colledge's may have had some solid years, but they weren't in Green Bay.
Truth > made up shit

college absolutely did have solid years on GB. He was a solid starter. If he was not why didn't anyone ever beat him out of the job? If he was not, why did the Cardinals pay a guy with 4 years of starting game tape solid starter money. You may be one of those guys where everyone who isn't clay mathews or another all pro "sucks", but truth > made up shit. College was/is a solid NFL starter. The proof is in the fact that no one has beaten him out of a starting gig in 8 years.

[bobblehead]

So then you don't think that Colledge is solid? Thanx for agreeing with my original premise, that you went to pains to discredit, which was, TT has done a terrible job of developing our Oline.

If that is accurate, then you are both wrong.

[bobblehead]

I went to a public school, so I do appreciate the assessment of my reading skills. Maybe you can tell me in plain third grade english, which one applies to Colledge's performance in Green Bay

Solid
Not Solid

Solid. No one beat him out. He landed a starters deal with another team and no one beat him out there. What is your definition of solid NFL guard?