WHAT IS YOUR VIEW OF DOM CAPERS

[Zool]

I call it as I see it... I put my observations out there, and they shouldn't be controversial - yet they are b/c you guys are accepting of mediocrity, and worse, and I am not.

I care about my team and want to win championships - defense is what has been preventing us from getting there.

I accept there is nothing I can change about the situation. I don't go to games so my dollars are not being spent. I don't subscribe to the Sunday ticket. We quite literally can do nothing affecting any change in the organization. So unless the Packers front office frequents this website and holds you in high esteem, you're screaming at the wind. If that screaming is therapeutic for you, by all means keep at it. Just don't expect everyone to join in chorus with you. They aren't being homers, they're being realistic.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I read somewhere that Fat Stubby is addicted to this forum. Not Capers, though.

[woodbuck27]

My view of Packers DC Dom Capers:



It flips and flops.



It's Warm and cozy.



Suddenly when performance is essential it often gets to ..... NOT so good.

[Tyrion Lannister]

Reading this thread, I am suddenly reminded that Wist, Texaspackerbacker and Anti-Polar Bear, in no particular order, are the top 3 notorious posters posting here.

Remember when Anti-Polar Bear used to write rhetoric about Ted Thompson?

[Bossman641]

Now that he is running a 3-4 predominately, and is running much more 3-3, and is putting our more talented players on the field in lieu of Brad Jones and Hawk, we are getting much better results. All of these are changes that I have been calling for forever.

You keep saying this but it isn't true. It's not even close to being true. This week was probably the most 3-4 the Packers have run all year.

Patriots - 24 of 56 in the 3-4
Vikings - 11 of 68
Eagles - 4 of 78
Bears - 1 of 71
Saints - can't find
Panthers - 10 of 69

[Joemailman]

Reading this thread, I am suddenly reminded that Wist, Texaspackerbacker and Anti-Polar Bear, in no particular order, are the top 3 notorious posters posting here.

Remember when Anti-Polar Bear used to write rhetoric about Ted Thompson?

Is Ted still trapped in the closet?

[Tyrion Lannister]

Is Ted still trapped in the closet?

Yes.

[pbmax]

I call it as I see it... I put my observations out there, and they shouldn't be controversial - yet they are b/c you guys are accepting of mediocrity, and worse, and I am not.

I care about my team and want to win championships - defense is what has been preventing us from getting there.

The Defense wasn't responsible for last year's playoff loss. It outplayed the fantabulous offense while missing 4 key guys. So as per usual, you take a few specific points in time and generalize to the whole. Its one of the reasons your observations and not persuasive nor predictive.

That and the fact that you think ranting on the internet is demanding excellence.

[pbmax]

Capers has, in fact, made many of the adjustments I've been calling for - especially after this years bye week. Last year, and the previous years of wandering in the desert, dunderdummy ran the 2-4 some 75% of the time - he never adjusted, he just ran the same crap game after game, down after down. The only variation we saw was Jumbo vs. pass rush 2-4, and nickel vs. dime.

Now that he is running a 3-4 predominately, and is running much more 3-3, and is putting our more talented players on the field in lieu of Brad Jones and Hawk, we are getting much better results. All of these are changes that I have been calling for forever.

He doesn't run 2-4 75% of the time in any particular gameplan. That's over the course of the season. And over the course of the season, he is often playing in a game where his team has a 10 point lead. Against a Patriots team completely capable of staying even, running the ball and lacking deep threats, he was not going to run dime defense on 1st and 2nd down. He has adjusted to opponents every year he has been here. You simply refuse to acknowledge this and gloss it over by using the yearly percentage.

He ran 3-4 24 times in the Patriots game out of 56 Patriot Offense snaps. That's 42%, higher than the yearly figures but not close to his high water mark for his Packer tenure. When his sub package numbers of high and they lose, you cry unsound. When his sub package numbers are low and they win, you say he is listening to you.

He ran 3-3 in one game for 15 snaps.

Any prediction based on a previously used Packer D alignment will eventually yield a positive result because the Packers, even with Capers, win 65% of the time. I could say the Packers need to use more onside kicks and look prescient twice a year. Your argument is not persuasive precisely for this reason; because it explains and/or predicts too little.

[wist43]

You keep saying this but it isn't true. It's not even close to being true. This week was probably the most 3-4 the Packers have run all year.

Patriots - 24 of 56 in the 3-4
Vikings - 11 of 68
Eagles - 4 of 78
Bears - 1 of 71
Saints - can't find
Panthers - 10 of 69

Good grief, you guys surely must be given all the answers years in advance of a standardized test just to squeak by with a D+...

He's been run running 3-whatever predominately - I said 3-4 for brevities sake.

Prior to the bye he was using a combination of 3-4, Elephant (which is in effect a 3-4); and when he was in the nickel he was using a lot more 3-3, as opposed to 2-4. Prior to this year's bye however, he was reverting back to his default dunderdummy settings, i.e. too much 2-4, and too much nickel in either/or situations, and we were getting destroyed in the running game.

How quickly any of you forget that we were dead last - and by quite a margin - in run defense just a few short weeks ago... given dunderdummy's track record, of course one who is paying attention would expect that to continue. Thankfully he seems to have gotten his head out of his ass to some extent, culminating in the NE game in which he called one hell of a game.

Last year, and in previous years he had been running 2-4 almost 75% of the time, be it jumbo or what I would call a pass rush 2-4. Why don't you guys trying offering up an analysis and break down once in a while, instead of riding Max's coattails??

I may disagree with Max from time to time, but at least he understands football, breaks down games and plays, and offers an analysis - I have a lot of respect for Max even if we don't agree some of the time. Most of the rest of you guys are frauds who just want to harangue those not in the kool-kid clique.

[wist43]

He doesn't run 2-4 75% of the time in any particular gameplan. That's over the course of the season. And over the course of the season, he is often playing in a game where his team has a 10 point lead. Against a Patriots team completely capable of staying even, running the ball and lacking deep threats, he was not going to run dime defense on 1st and 2nd down. He has adjusted to opponents every year he has been here. You simply refuse to acknowledge this and gloss it over by using the yearly percentage.

He ran 3-4 24 times in the Patriots game out of 56 Patriot Offense snaps. That's 42%, higher than the yearly figures but not close to his high water mark for his Packer tenure. When his sub package numbers of high and they lose, you cry unsound. When his sub package numbers are low and they win, you say he is listening to you.

He ran 3-3 in one game for 15 snaps.

Any prediction based on a previously used Packer D alignment will eventually yield a positive result because the Packers, even with Capers, win 65% of the time. I could say the Packers need to use more onside kicks and look prescient twice a year. Your argument is not persuasive precisely for this reason; because it explains and/or predicts too little.

Read more carefully max... I said last year.

Actually I believe that number came from the amount of nickel and dime combined; and if memory serves me, I think it was the Saints that were 1st on that list with close to 80%.

I don't mind running nickel, just not against running teams, in running situations; or either or situations. That said, you can run nickel in either or, but not a static 2-4, and not that Jumbo 2-4, which were all Capers ran; so, of course the results were disasterous.

This year, of course MM made some headlines by saying that he was going to get involved with the defense during the offseason - and they came out of the gate running a lot of Elephant. They ran more Elephant than they did base 3-4, but at least they still had 3 down linemen on the field, and seemed to be taking the LOS more seriously. As the games wore on this year, however, dunderdummy started to revert a bit, and we began to be gashed to quite bloody effect in the running game.

Now after the bye, he's played much more 3-4 base, and in the Chicago game he played a lot more 3-3 nickel.

Those are very encouraging signs.

[wist43]

The Defense wasn't responsible for last year's playoff loss. It outplayed the fantabulous offense while missing 4 key guys. So as per usual, you take a few specific points in time and generalize to the whole. Its one of the reasons your observations and not persuasive nor predictive.

That and the fact that you think ranting on the internet is demanding excellence.

max, he ran 3-4 most of that game against the Niners - which was a major departure from what he had been doing all of last year.

We had success stopping their running game in that game b/c dunderdummy played 3-4 most of the game. Kapnerfucker still lit us up for 400+ I think, but at least we contained their running game, and were in the game, as opposed to getting run over on the ground and having pretty much no chance.

[pbmax]

Prior to the bye he was using a combination of 3-4, Elephant (which is in effect a 3-4); and when he was in the nickel he was using a lot more 3-3, as opposed to 2-4. Prior to this year's bye however, he was reverting back to his default dunderdummy settings, i.e. too much 2-4, and too much nickel in either/or situations, and we were getting destroyed in the running game.
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The first instance of the 3-3 Bear front that got you excited was the Eagles game which was after the bye.

I have seen no notice that it reappeared in the Patriots game. And it goes without saying that the 3-3 you advocated is not the 3-3 he ran during the Eagles game. He still removed a DL, got smaller in nickel, and used an OLB at DT.

[pbmax]

max, he ran 3-4 most of that game against the Niners - which was a major departure from what he had been doing all of last year.

We had success stopping their running game in that game b/c dunderdummy played 3-4 most of the game. Kapnerfucker still lit us up for 400+ I think, but at least we contained their running game, and were in the game, as opposed to getting run over on the ground and having pretty much no chance.

And that is an example that he arranges his game plan according to the opponent, not the personality faults you detect in him. Nor is it decided because he does not believe in protecting the middle of the field or covering anybody. Which is what we have been arguing with you all along.

CK running was more of a problem that the passing, but much of the Packer pass rush was on the bench plus the injured Shields.

But as for your argument that no one hopes for excellence, regardless of the reason Capers did it, the Defense didn't let the team down, even when grievously injured.

[Bossman641]

Capers matches offensive personnel more than down and distance. Against teams that run a lot of 2 TE sets, like the Patriots and SF, Capers will match 3-4. As 90% of the league has moved towards a 1 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE "base" personnel, Capers has countered with the 2-4 with Peppers/Perry on the edge.

Ya I know it bugs the shit out of you when he plays those defenses in 3rd and short situations, but he is doing it to match personnel. Teams run 1-3-1 or 1-4 sets on third and short all the time. I'm of the opinion that if he were to trot out a 3-4 in those situations we would get burned deep often.