The Official Barney Fuckdoggle Award Thread

[sharpe1027]

http://gnb.247sports.com/Bolt/Not-bu...-Ryan-40970843

Asked to assess the performance of Ryan, head coach Mike McCarthy said, "Just okay. He had some productivity. It wasn’t as clean as he would like and as we like. I think he was kind of in line with a number of our performances."

Nice try, Coach.

I get why you're pouring cold water on the enthusiasm for Ryan. He's a rookie. You don't want to automatically hand him a spot in the starting lineup one game after the first extended playing time of his professional career. You don't want him to feel privileged and satisfied and feel like he's arrived

In just 38 snaps, Ryan made a team-leading 10 tackles against the Panthers, including one for a seven-yard loss on running back Jonathan Stewart.

It might be a little presumptuous to think the entire Packers defense would've performed any better had Ryan been inserted into the game earlier in place of Palmer, but I don't think it's a stretch to say they wouldn't have done any worse.

Say whatever you want to the media, coaches. Do whatever it takes to keep Ryan motivated.

But when it comes to putting the best 11 players on the field on Sunday when the Packers host the Detroit Lions, just make sure Ryan is out there.

[sharpe1027]

Discussion of both Rip and Ryan:

http://www.packers.com/news-and-even...0-966651ef3495

[Patler]

Regardless of whether he played well or didn't play well, he was put in because he was EXPECTED to be better than the guy he replaced. That is why the coaches put him in there. Isn't that the opposite of what the Fuckdoggle is about?

[Patler]

Regardless of whether he played well or didn't play well, he was put in because he was EXPECTED to be better than the guy he replaced. That is why the coaches put him in there. Isn't that the opposite of what the Fuckdoggle is about?

I will respond to myself, to modify my statement a bit. Afterall, this is the Fuckdoggle, so normal rules of etiquette don't apply, do they?

I am willing to relent on Ryan's eligibility, but not on his winning.

He was put in because he was expected to be better than Palmer. It was not an act of desperation. It was not a forced move. It was a high-ish draft pick having shown enough to the coaches in practice to be given a chance in a game. To win the Fuckdoggle, he should have to contribute far more than was expected of him, not simply be "OK" and better than Palmer. In essence, all he did was meet expectations. After all, 4th round picks are expected to be players (Bakhtiari, Daniels, Lang, Sitton, etc.)

Playing Goodson was a move of desperation that was forced on the coaches due to players ahead of him going down. In two years, Goodson has not shown enough to get playing time other than on ST. If just one of Shields and Rollins was on the shelf, Goodson likely would not have played. There is no indication that he earned playing time in practice, using him was forced on the coaches. A true Fuckdoggle, in my opinion.

[mraynrand]

I think if you stick to the original idea of the fuckdoggle, it's pretty easy. It's a guy no one has really heard of coming out of nowhere to make plays that are critical to a Packer win. The guy who Gruden says "Where do they get these guys?" about and about whom fans of other teams say "Who the hell is that guy and why is HE beating us?"

Ryan: nope. If he'd have gotten say a pick (or better yet a pick 6) after the Packers tied it, leading to a game winning FG, absolutely.

[sharpe1027]

Regardless of whether he played well or didn't play well, he was put in because he was EXPECTED to be better than the guy he replaced. That is why the coaches put him in there. Isn't that the opposite of what the Fuckdoggle is about?

It has nothing to do with the coaches' expectations.

[Patler]

It has nothing to do with the coaches' expectations.

So Randle should have gotten the Fuckdoggle in the past?

[sharpe1027]

I will respond to myself, to modify my statement a bit. Afterall, this is the Fuckdoggle, so normal rules of etiquette don't apply, do they?

I am willing to relent on Ryan's eligibility, but not on his winning.

He was put in because he was expected to be better than Palmer. It was not an act of desperation. It was not a forced move. It was a high-ish draft pick having shown enough to the coaches in practice to be given a chance in a game. To win the Fuckdoggle, he should have to contribute far more than was expected of him, not simply be "OK" and better than Palmer. In essence, all he did was meet expectations. After all, 4th round picks are expected to be players (Bakhtiari, Daniels, Lang, Sitton, etc.)

Playing Goodson was a move of desperation that was forced on the coaches due to players ahead of him going down. In two years, Goodson has not shown enough to get playing time other than on ST. If just one of Shields and Rollins was on the shelf, Goodson likely would not have played. There is no indication that he earned playing time in practice, using him was forced on the coaches. A true Fuckdoggle, in my opinion.

No rules. You can argue or agree with yourself and nobody will care.

Injury is not the only way desperation can occur. One might argue they were pretty desperate due to the terrible play of the defense and the team as a whole. But your point is still very valid.

The argument about expectations being relative high for him as a 4th rounder is precisely on point. That is why I was saying it was a close call. What do you think of the already-expressed arguments on why it might still have been a surprise?

[sharpe1027]

So Randle should have gotten the Fuckdoggle in the past?

Perhaps, but the higher the draft pick, the tougher it is to win. Every day Joes expect a 1st rounder to be decent (even if it is an unreasonable expecation). Ryan is a stretch, can go either way as a 4th rounder.

[sharpe1027]

I think if you stick to the original idea of the fuckdoggle, it's pretty easy. It's a guy no one has really heard of coming out of nowhere to make plays that are critical to a Packer win. The guy who Gruden says "Where do they get these guys?" about and about whom fans of other teams say "Who the hell is that guy and why is HE beating us?"

Ryan: nope. If he'd have gotten say a pick (or better yet a pick 6) after the Packers tied it, leading to a game winning FG, absolutely.

Yes. Ryan is only being considered because he had little competition. It is a weekly award, so some winners will be stronger than others. IDK, could go either way. At least it is leading to a good discussion relative to how well he actually played and what expectations were.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I need more information before I can decide what to think about Ryan's nomination. Sharpe, as Head Fuckdoggle, I think you should do some research on this website and compile how many times any Rat mentioned Ryan from draft day til the season opener and then compare that to how many times Rats mentioned Ryan after the season opener. Anything more than 15 mentions and Ryan is disqualified as a Fuckdoggle. In fact, I propose this measure be used as a yardstick for all future Fuckdoggle awardees.

[Patler]

Perhaps, but the higher the draft pick, the tougher it is to win. Every day Joes expect a 1st rounder to be decent (even if it is an unreasonable expecation). Ryan is a stretch, can go either way as a 4th rounder.

My expectations for 4th rounder are fairly high. Maybe not to start the year, but I am always a bit disappointed when a 4th rounder flops, even though it happens somewhat often.

Sixth and seventh rounders I expect to be gone in a few years, with only the occasional one having a real career, like Tauscher and Driver.

[sharpe1027]

I need more information before I can decide what to think about Ryan's nomination. Sharpe, as Head Fuckdoggle, I think you should do some research on this website and compile how many times any Rat mentioned Ryan from draft day til the season opener and then compare that to how many times Rats mentioned Ryan after the season opener. Anything more than 15 mentions and Ryan is disqualified as a Fuckdoggle. In fact, I propose this measure be used as a yardstick for all future Fuckdoggle awardees.

Not sure we should be using Rats as the yardstick. Too many fanatics that know and discuss even practice squad guys. Probably never have a winner.

[Patler]

Not sure we should be using Rats as the yardstick. Too many fanatics that know and discuss even practice squad guys. Probably never have a winner.

Analyzing Janis that way would be difficult. Lots and lots of mentions, but probably equally divided between him being a HOFer and a burger pusher.

[George Cumby]

I think if you stick to the original idea of the fuckdoggle, it's pretty easy. It's a guy no one has really heard of coming out of nowhere to make plays that are critical to a Packer win. The guy who Gruden says "Where do they get these guys?" about and about whom fans of other teams say "Who the hell is that guy and why is HE beating us?"

Ryan: nope. If he'd have gotten say a pick (or better yet a pick 6) after the Packers tied it, leading to a game winning FG, absolutely.

Exactly. The FuckDoggle is about defying expectations. A fourth round linebacker out of OSU is supposed to produce. A FuckDoggle needs to come out of nowhere.

Donald Driver would be a candidate for a lifetime achievement FuckDoggle.