Jeff Janis: He Who Conquers

[Maxie the Taxi]

I would have given my left pinky toe to see Janis run a couple of fly patterns Sunday, and not because he's a white boy that can run, but because he's the fastest receiver on Green Bay's roster...just saying.

[Freak Out]

No doubt. Why not run a flea flicker as well.

[pbmax]

Traveled across the state today. Three topics of conversation:

1. Rodgers on Offense
2. McCarthy on players/scheme
3. Janis, Janis, Janis

Question no one asked them, with Adams back and trying to get up to speed, who sits? Or is it a 4 WR set?

[mraynrand]

I would have given my left pinky toe to see Janis run a couple of fly patterns Sunday, and not because he's a white boy that can run, but because he's the fastest receiver on Green Bay's roster...just saying.

you have to have more than 1.8 seconds to throw a deep ball.

[Harlan Huckleby]

who sits?

Who cares? It's not like we're messing with a lean, mean, point-scoring machine. Any and all of those receivers can sit for a few plays.

[Harlan Huckleby]

No doubt. Why not run a flea flicker as well.

Flea flicker good.

Also, put the wunderkind in motion, then have him peel back to grab the ball from ARod on the ole statue of liberty play. Anything to get the rock in the hands of He Who Conquers. Speed kills, baby.

[pbmax]

Who cares? It's not like we're messing with a lean, mean, point-scoring machine. Any and all of those receivers can sit for a few plays.

Then the odds of making it work decrease. If you just throw him out there every five snaps to run a 9 pattern, everyone will adjust. No way to run an offense.

Here is the fun part: the logical choice is Jones. Adams needs the work. You might see Rodgers' head pop off its moorings if you did that.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Here is the fun part: the logical choice is Jones. Adams needs the work. You might see Rodgers' head pop off its moorings if you did that.

Jones and Adams can both sit some plays without any great suffering for either. Rodgers is the problem - too anal all the way around.

[pbmax]

Jones and Adams can both sit some plays without any great suffering for either. Rodgers is the problem - too anal all the way around.

So why not start Cobb at QB and then play Janis in the slot?

[Harlan Huckleby]

I think there is too much of a dropoff from Rodgers to Cobb, but keep the ideas coming.

[pbmax]

I think there is too much of a dropoff from Rodgers to Cobb, but keep the ideas coming.

Sure, but can you explain how Janis helps if Rodgers is the actual problem?

Bench Linsley for his ole block on two middle blitzers (first one then the other) on the late Rodgers sack. Put Tretter in. Run Walker at U-71 for the off tackle play. Start Starks.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Sure, but can you explain how Janis helps if Rodgers is the actual problem?

We don't really have any idea if Janis will help the team, but it is worth a try.

Rodgers' problem is he is risk averse to a fault. He needs to, well, R-E-L-A-X that sphincter muscle. Risk interceptions when team is struggling to put points on board. Stop treating Janis like a registered sex offender.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Then the odds of making it work decrease. If you just throw him out there every five snaps to run a 9 pattern, everyone will adjust. No way to run an offense.

Here is the fun part: the logical choice is Jones. Adams needs the work. You might see Rodgers' head pop off its moorings if you did that.

I don't understand the resistance. That the defense will "adjust" is my point. How will they adjust is the question. Play the safeties deeper? Take the double team off of Cobb? I'm assuming Janis can beat his defender over the top with his speed. If he can, Denver has to adjust even if Arod doesn't throw to him. Then we adjust to that adjustment. If he can't, then I shut up and the team goes back to square one.

[pbmax]

I don't understand the resistance. That the defense will "adjust" is my point. How will they adjust is the question. Play the safeties deeper? Take the double team off of Cobb? I'm assuming Janis can beat his defender over the top with his speed. If he can, Denver has to adjust even if Arod doesn't throw to him. Then we adjust to that adjustment. If he can't, then I shut up and the team goes back to square one.

What if the adjustment is that you play your CB 10 yards off the LOS and backpedal right away? And because you know the 9 route is likeliest, you bring that side's safety to the box to defend the run, slant or a WR screen? Does that help the offense or make it easier to read what you are doing by making one side much more simplistic?

If Janis is that limited, he might be unstoppable on one play, but make the QB and WRs jobs harder. Not even Favre and Sharpe could ride a one target offense to playoff success.

Could he do more? He might. Seemed possible when he made two big catches in his most extensive playing time. But when the coaching staff seems very resistant to make him a major contributor, I think it more likely there are too many things he cannot do. Think about the coaching staff you are worried about. They specialize in starting rookies. Cobb and Montgomery. Linsey and Bach.

6-1 doesn't seem like the time to try this. This offense is facing 2 deep coverage again and cannot operate. Putting a deep threat in hasn't broken that open for them in the past.

[mraynrand]

The fact that Rodgers had to re-direct Janis on at least two plays that I saw against San Diego is the reason he's not out there. If that's what's going on at the line of scrimmage, the pattern stuff and other adjustments must also be suffering. The push to get him out there is based on some fanciful notion that he's going to burn everyone deep and open up the offense, but the reality is that defenses adjust and if he's clueless, that actually shuts off an option rather than opening things up. Of course, relative to this board, the fact is, we have no idea really why he's not out there, but in the absence of any new information other than Harlan's hopeful assertions, I'm sticking with the clueless theory, because I've seen evidence for it with mine own eyes.