Jeff Janis: He Who Conquers

[Harlan Huckleby]

undoubtedly. Weren't Adams and Monty healthy to start the season?

Adams played very little early. I think problem has gotten worse mainly because opponents have game film to break down.

[mraynrand]

Adams played very little early. I think problem has gotten worse mainly because opponents have game film to break down.

of whom? Just Cobb. Pretty quickly other teams have doubled Cobb and said let the other guys beat us. They cannot.

[sharpe1027]

So you agree there is something to lose? Janis could make it worse. This is my point.

And I would bet its how the coaches feel.

Yes, I already said that above. However, the difference was going to be what exactly? Only throw for 50 yards instead of 77?

[Smidgeon]

undoubtedly. Weren't Adams and Monty healthy to start the season?

Even when Adams was in, what did he do in the regular season to back up his offseason MVP award? I'm not down on the guy (yet), but I want to see him play well when he's not on the opponents underskilled #3 CB.

Monty, for being a rookie in a complex scheme, was exciting in spurts on offense. You got the feeling he was going to be something. A spark.

Hopefully the ankle doesn't deter his development.

Just think, if they both develop, you could have the deep speed of Janis (24) and the short burst of Monty (22) to compliment Cobb (25) and Adams (22) once "old man" Jordy (30) loses a step.

[pbmax]

sharpe - they are not going to be as bad as Denver again. And I say that without too much worry about the upcoming Carolina road game So the potential for loss is much higher than panicky fans are willing to admit. Janis could actively make the offense worse AND more like the Denver one. It is not just a rhetorical question of having nothing to lose. The coaches believe he makes the offense worse.

Now on defense, coaches have been wrong. Desmond Bishop comes to mind. But it hasn't happened on offense in quite some time.

For smidgeon, 2014 Adams was the most successful rookie WR in M3's offense, perhaps Cobb had slightly better numbers. But Adams literally was the pass offense for 2 games. And Monty looked like he might surpass Adams. Janis has only done that in preseason.

So one answer to the question of "what have you got to lose" is that Adams, who was on his way as a rookie and in camp, gets slowed down in his development while we wait the development from Janis.

[Harlan Huckleby]

So one answer to the question of "what have you got to lose" is that Adams, who was on his way as a rookie and in camp, gets slowed down in his development while we wait the development from Janis.

They both can get on the field. Janis taking snaps from the whole WR group - including plays with Richard Rodgers split out wide - is not going to slow down any body's development. What about Janis's development?

[mraynrand]

Even when Adams was in, what did he do in the regular season to back up his offseason MVP award? I'm not down on the guy (yet), but I want to see him play well when he's not on the opponents underskilled #3 CB.

Adams played very little early.

5 catches for 59 yards, I suppose.

MVP? where does that come from? Maybe a bunch of blustery Packers fans who think guys are a lot better than they really are? (*cough* *cough* Janis *cough* *cough*)

[sharpe1027]

PB, I am talking first about making an adjustment during the Denver game. What is your take on that? I will ignore the unnecessary reference to panicky fans.

I am talking second about being prepared and willing to do so in the future if they run into similar problems.

As I said before, the alternative was sticking with R. Rodgers. Unless you saw something in his play that I missed, it is unlikely to be a huge step down putting in Janis or Abby. Janis got a lot of time in the Chargers game, so it is not like he is a complete unknown. What is your take on the relative risk of playing Janis or Abby vs. playing R. Rodgers?

[mraynrand]

They both can get on the field. Janis taking snaps from the whole WR group - including plays with Richard Rodgers split out wide - is not going to slow down any body's development. What about Janis's development?

good question. I still believe that the deep ball to Janis* against SD was an error by Janis, swerving towards DickRods. But the thing is that Rodgers pass to Dickrod was overthrown and only the magnificent speed of Janis was able to snag it.




*I don't care what Aaron Rodgers said - I'm not gonna believe a guy who can only throw for 50 yards.

[sharpe1027]

To be honest, I was hoping to see Abby more than Janis. Someone that could run a decent route, rather than just relying on being a better athlete.

[Pugger]

To be honest, I was hoping to see Abby more than Janis. Someone that could run a decent route, rather than just relying on being a better athlete.

We might see more of Abby as the season progresses. Abby might be a little behind Janis because he missed basically all of TC this past summer.

[Smidgeon]

5 catches for 59 yards, I suppose.

MVP? where does that come from? Maybe a bunch of blustery Packers fans who think guys are a lot better than they really are? (*cough* *cough* Janis *cough* *cough*)

I thought I remembered M3 and Rodgers calling him the offseason MVP. I may be misremembering.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Maybe a bunch of blustery Packers fans who think guys are a lot better than they really are? (*cough* *cough* Janis *cough* *cough*)

You are the one expressing certainty about Janis's potential to help the offense. Those questioning "stay the course" want to see some new looks.

[3irty1]

I wonder how much blame the receivers really deserve for the current dysfunction. Open vs covered is not exactly a binary thing, its a judgment made in an instant based on some subjective level of separation. That judgment is made by Rodgers. On free plays with nothing at stake he'll throw up some contested passes with pretty darn good results. I trust Rodgers to spin the ball wherever he wants it to go. I trust James Jones to make the contested catch in a tight window. I wonder what Rodgers trusts right now.

[Patler]

good question. I still believe that the deep ball to Janis* against SD was an error by Janis, swerving towards DickRods. But the thing is that Rodgers pass to Dickrod was overthrown and only the magnificent speed of Janis was able to snag it.

Wasn't Janis doing exactly what he was supposed to do when a play breaks down and Rodgers moves out of the pocket? He broke off his route and ran to an open area where Rodgers could see him. Rodgers claimed he was throwing to Janis, and I tend to believe him, just based on his normal accuracy even when moving. If he really intended it for R. Rodgers, it might have been about the most inaccurate throw from Rodgers that I can remember.