Jeff Janis: He Who Conquers

[pbmax]

PB, I am talking first about making an adjustment during the Denver game. What is your take on that? I will ignore the unnecessary reference to panicky fans.

I am talking second about being prepared and willing to do so in the future if they run into similar problems.

As I said before, the alternative was sticking with R. Rodgers. Unless you saw something in his play that I missed, it is unlikely to be a huge step down putting in Janis or Abby. Janis got a lot of time in the Chargers game, so it is not like he is a complete unknown. What is your take on the relative risk of playing Janis or Abby vs. playing R. Rodgers?

Of course I was exempting present company from inclusion in the panicky fans comment! We are all too evolved for that kind of thing.

579! UNSOUND!

Clearly they don't think he is ready to play an extended amount. Pulling RR changes the complexion of the group (one less blocker) and the defense reacts by sending on another DB. So no, I don't think that happens unless RichRod screws up to a KGB level of obliviousness.

[sharpe1027]

Of course I was exempting present company from inclusion in the panicky fans comment! We are all too evolved for that kind of thing.

579! UNSOUND!

Clearly they don't think he is ready to play an extended amount. Pulling RR changes the complexion of the group (one less blocker) and the defense reacts by sending on another DB. So no, I don't think that happens unless RichRod screws up to a KGB level of obliviousness.

I did not say play Janis or Abby an extended amount. I just do not see it as so black and white. I am not talking about panic, or completely throwing the game plan out. Just asking if maybe it would have been worth trying some different packages to get someone on the field that offered something different than R. Rodgers. Is that so crazy?

I bet we see less of R. Rodgers in the next game...

[pbmax]

I did not say play Janis or Abby an extended amount. I just do not see it as so black and white. I am not talking about panic, or completely throwing the game plan out. Just asking if maybe it would have been worth trying some different packages to get someone on the field that offered something different than R. Rodgers. Is that so crazy?

I bet we see less of R. Rodgers in the next game...

OK, we are getting caught up with semantics. An extended amount, to me, means more than now or more than just a potential injury sub. Planned snaps from a certain personnel group. Meaning Janis is part of the game plan. Could be 8 snaps, could be 3.

On RichRod again, I don't think we have seen evidence he is ready to throw in that towel. Rodgers was open about the same as Jones. But a 4 WR 1 RB formation is will get defensive personnel tilted very hard against the pass. So if Janis is out there, I will almost expect a run.

This isn't much like M3's normal game plan. He doesn't head fake on group and formation. If he wants to pass he goes spread or WR heavy. If he wants to run he goes heavy heavy. He will call a constraint play only when it suits what the defense is giving him. I don't see him developing a game plan like that. The closest he has come to this is liking his odds of running on nickel formations with 3 WR in certain down and distance.

[sharpe1027]

You're telling me they didn't even have a package ready for the game? Or just that they decided not to use it?

I am simply saying they might have benefited from a change. Hindsight is 20/20 and all, but you disagree that is possible?

[pbmax]

You're telling me they didn't even have a package ready for the game? Or just that they decided not to use it?

I am simply saying they might have benefited from a change. Hindsight is 20/20 and all, but you disagree that is possible?

A package for Janis? Doubtful.

A 4 WR 1 RB package? Probably, but with Monty not Janis or Abby. Given injury situation in game, I expect it was mothballed. More probably, 4 WR 1 RB package has morphed into 3WR 1TE 1RB.

However, there may be good news for you in the Panthers Week thread with M3's PC today.

[sharpe1027]

A package for Janis? Doubtful.

A 4 WR 1 RB package? Probably, but with Monty not Janis or Abby. Given injury situation in game, I expect it was mothballed. More probably, 4 WR 1 RB package has morphed into 3WR 1TE 1RB.

However, there may be good news for you in the Panthers Week thread with M3's PC today.

Well, I don't know their game planning, but I doubt they were incapable of going 4 wide, or just pulling Jones for a couple plays. Did they think it would help at the time? Clearly not, but that doesn't mean they aren't second guessing now.

[pbmax]

They could be, M3 said at his PC that is wasn't a good week for the TEs. But swapping Janis for Rodgers means more than a receiver is changing. I think there are two options there that you are combining into one.

Consideration 1: More snaps for Janis at WR, taking snaps from other WR.

Consideration 2: Reduced snaps for Rodgers. More possible. Perillo, Backman, tackling dummy? Just dumping that formation?

If Monty can't go, the Janis getting snaps might happen, regardless of judgement on Rodgers play.

[mraynrand]

You are the one expressing certainty about Janis's potential to help the offense. Those questioning "stay the course" want to see some new looks.

You are incorrect. I am only trying to understand what the coaches/Rodgers think, and what fans think.

As for me, I go back and forth regarding Janis. Maybe that's a reflection of my perception of his inconsistency. I'd like to think he can be a game changer, but I kinda doubt it, mostly because I think Rodgers doesn't trust him.

[mraynrand]

Wasn't Janis doing exactly what he was supposed to do when a play breaks down and Rodgers moves out of the pocket? He broke off his route and ran to an open area where Rodgers could see him. Rodgers claimed he was throwing to Janis, and I tend to believe him, just based on his normal accuracy even when moving. If he really intended it for R. Rodgers, it might have been about the most inaccurate throw from Rodgers that I can remember.

If it was to Dickrod, it was barely overthrown. I've seen several Dickrod overthrows, and I generally attribute it to Dickrod's slow gait and his imprecise route running. I think Rodgers is lying about throwing to Janis, but that's a guess.

[mraynrand]

I'd like to see more Perillo

[Harlan Huckleby]

You are incorrect. I am only trying to understand what the coaches/Rodgers think, and what fans think.

As for me, I go back and forth regarding Janis. Maybe that's a reflection of my perception of his inconsistency. I'd like to think he can be a game changer, but I kinda doubt it, mostly because I think Rodgers doesn't trust him.

You mocked a strawman fan for thinking Janis is better than he is when even his most ardent supporters have not made any prediction about whether he'll cut it. We {sniff} just want to see what he can do.

After plainly suggesting that Janis is no damn good, you now claim to be skeptical, undecided; you share your inner turmoil.

You are a disgrace to the Packerrats organization. You have ten minutes to clean your desk out. A security guard will escort you to the parking lot.

[Bretsky]

I thought this thread would die when posters saw the words Janis and Conquers in the same sentence. Rodgers doesn't trust him because he runs sloppy routes and is not reliable. Hopefully get learns that part soon.
We really miss Montgomery....who IMO ran better routes then either Jones or that overrated(at this point) Fresno guy

[denverYooper]

A package for Janis? Doubtful.

A 4 WR 1 RB package? Probably, but with Monty not Janis or Abby. Given injury situation in game, I expect it was mothballed. More probably, 4 WR 1 RB package has morphed into 3WR 1TE 1RB.

However, there may be good news for you in the Panthers Week thread with M3's PC today.

They played Richard Rodgers all over the place on Sunday -- inline, out wide, blocking, receiving, motioning. He was moving all over the place. The other Rodgers looks for him too, so there's trust there. I have a feeling that they his role has been expanded a lot this year and will be a key piece in the 4 quarter of the season and beyond. He's not going to be Finley as a receiver, but he'll be a solid swiss army knife long term.

[Bretsky]

I think Rodgers is ok in he zone; but mano to mano I think he scares nobody and in general the AJ Hawk's of the world can cover him. We'll take a TE high in the draft next year. We really miss Finley. Vernon Davis could have given us that dimension down field. I also wished for Fleener but in reality he may not have helped that much.

[denverYooper]

I think Rodgers is ok in he zone; but mano to mano I think he scares nobody and in general the AJ Hawk's of the world can cover him. We'll take a TE high in the draft next year. We really miss Finley. Vernon Davis could have given us that dimension down field. I also wished for Fleener but in reality he may not have helped that much.

Yeah, I don't think he'll ever be a gamebreaking threat. But 12 likes to sling him some scotch and soda when he needs a safe throw. If Rodgers can get used to catching those (seems like most of his missed targets are up high), they might have their version of the back shoulder. Or, as someone else mentioned -- it'd be like RichRod posting up. That could be huge in the RZ if they get that worked out.