McGinn trashes Packer leaders, Rob Davis, Packers fans and WI media

[sharpe1027]

The uproar is that McGinn is selling a partial fiction that Packer fans and Packer org only take 'Packer people' but that the Packers are as corrupt as every other team (according to McGinn's sensibilities) with the exception of a small few, and all this is despite McGinn showing no actual comparisons with which to measure relative corruption and hypocrisy.

I meant uproar against the Packers. There is really nothing new here. Packer people, was that ever hyped as an off the field thing by the Packers? When did the Packers claim to be better than all other teams. Seems like media construct, which means we should be mad at McGinn and Co. for misleading us in the first place.

You're right of course, there is no objective analysis one whether the Packers are relative to other teams.

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m3 started the myth of "packer people" in his very first press conference i believe

if that term had never been brought up, then i don't think anyone would even care if we had a bunch of thugs or criminals on the team

[sharpe1027]

m3 started the myth of "packer people" in his very first press conference i believe

if that term had never been brought up, then i don't think anyone would even care if we had a bunch of thugs or criminals on the team

As far as I know, he never said a word about not bringing in people with troubled pasts. At the time he was talking a lot about changing the culture. Specifically, getting people to show up for off season and work hard. The rest, as far as I can, tell is media and fan driven BS.

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a quote from his first press conference

"You have to create that stable structure . . . look for the right type of Packer people," McCarthy told the media that day. "Chemistry and character needs to be concentrated on at all times."

from an article by Rob Reischel from 2012

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/packer-people-still-relevant-players-say-l86fcf3-166206426.html

the "character" part of the quote would be where all this began

from dictionary.com

character



1.
the aggregate of features and traits that form the individual nature of some person or thing.
2.
one such feature or trait; characteristic.
3.
moral or ethical quality:
a man of fine, honorable character.
4.
qualities of honesty, courage, or the like; integrity:
It takes character to face up to a bully.
5.
reputation:
a stain on one's character.
6.
good repute.
7.
an account of the qualities or peculiarities of a person or thing.

now i will admit, M3 if very fucking stupid in my opinion, so he may have been trying to say something else

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another quote from 2012 and that article from mike neal.

"It's weird," Neal said. "The Green Bay Packers, you're usually not talking about guys with character issues. But we're all good people. I'm a good person.

"If you look at our off-season vs. other teams, we didn't have one person arrested this off-season. That speaks for itself. The violations we've had aren't because we're bad people. When you look at that list of guys getting arrested, we're like, '(expletive).' I do think we've got Packer people.

"We don't live in a perfect world. Not everyone's going to be perfect. If you look at the guys that are suspended, we're all good people."

[Bossman641]

Is anyone shocked or offended that the Packers employee criminals? They fall in line basically with all other teams.

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Sooo, should the Packers cut any player with a criminal record? Where is the line for those complaining? Isn't that what the NFL head office takes care of with their suspensions? Are the Packers supposed to play by different rule from every other team? Not really understanding what the uproar is about here.

for me, smoking weed is no big deal. a player gets busted for that, oh well. now getting busted for having a shitload of it along with a ton of cash and a gun, that for me is crossing the line

get busted for a dui? oh well, almost everyone in wisconsin/up drives after having some drinks from time to time, sometimes you get caught. now, get 3 or 4 dui's, thats a problem, learn your lesson

beating on you're wife or GF? never acceptable

snorting coke in your car, getting kicked off your college team and blasting a bunch of parents who just lost their children, not acceptable

unloading your clip into the ceiling of a parking garage while grabbing your crotch after a chick rejects you? not acceptable

pouring a little special cough medicine into your drink to get a little extra kick? not a big deal to me

[sharpe1027]

I understand where the quote came from, and out of context, using dictionaries, you can argue it is hypocrisy. However, he never said it meant they were holier than thou, squeaky clean, and not going to use guys with criminal pasts. That's partly why the article comes off as a joke.

[sharpe1027]

for me, smoking weed is no big deal. a player gets busted for that, oh well. now getting busted for having a shitload of it along with a ton of cash and a gun, that for me is crossing the line

get busted for a dui? oh well, almost everyone in wisconsin/up drives after having some drinks from time to time, sometimes you get caught. now, get 3 or 4 dui's, thats a problem, learn your lesson

beating on you're wife or GF? never acceptable

snorting coke in your car, getting kicked off your college team and blasting a bunch of parents who just lost their children, not acceptable

unloading your clip into the ceiling of a parking garage while grabbing your crotch after a chick rejects you? not acceptable

pouring a little special cough medicine into your drink to get a little extra kick? not a big deal to me

That's great. Time to find another sport cause you won't find a team to support in the NFL.

[pbmax]

Is anyone shocked or offended that the Packers employee criminals? They fall in line basically with all other teams.

Is anyone shocked that any employer employs people with a criminal record? What level of offense should render people persona non grata in the job market forever?

I would wager that the Packers are middle/upper middle in arrests, but in arrested*player*games metrics, are below average. Further work needs to be done to determine whether that factor is endogenous to the severity of the crime and the resultant jail/probation term.

Still looking for a good breakdown of what kind of criminal team's want or if there is a position by position bias.

[Patler]

The dropped charges were part of a plea bargain for deferred prosecution and a fine. He pled to less, and if he stayed clean for six months the more serious charges disappear. I don't think the charging is mysterious.

That's the mechanics of it. Every first year law student in crim pro learns that, as well as anyone ever charged, their friends and family, or anyone who has ever read an article about run-ins with the law by any of the rich and famous, athlete or otherwise. I was talking about the motivation of the DA (assistant DA, whatever) who threw away serious charges in exchange for a plea that basically made it look like nothing happened in 6 mos. That doesn't flow well from the seriousness of what was initially charged and the victims story that was the foundation of it.

[Patler]

Is anyone shocked that any employer employs people with a criminal record? What level of offense should render people persona non grata in the job market forever?

I would wager that the Packers are middle/upper middle in arrests, but in arrested*player*games metrics, are below average. Further work needs to be done to determine whether that factor is endogenous to the severity of the crime and the resultant jail/probation term.

Still looking for a good breakdown of what kind of criminal team's want or if there is a position by position bias.

Aren't there even laws that prevent discrimination in the hiring of individuals with criminal records? I know the enforcement is spotty, at best; but with the high percentage of working age adults who do have criminal records, I wonder how many can be found in a typical business that employs 50-60 (to compare to only players employed by NFL teams)?

[mraynrand]

Is anyone shocked or offended that the Packers employee criminals? They fall in line basically with all other teams.

Packers should hire more Texan People than Packer People.

[mraynrand]

One good from this might be an awakening of the press and an understanding by the public of what happens when the media fawns over personalities whom they like and then proceed to ignore, gloss over, and downright hide, obfuscate or deliberately lie to the public about their flaws and/or criminality.

Nah, won't happen.

[Patler]

m3 started the myth of "packer people" in his very first press conference i believe

if that term had never been brought up, then i don't think anyone would even care if we had a bunch of thugs or criminals on the team

a quote from his first press conference



from an article by Rob Reischel from 2012

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/packer-people-still-relevant-players-say-l86fcf3-166206426.html

the "character" part of the quote would be where all this began

from dictionary.com



now i will admit, M3 if very fucking stupid in my opinion, so he may have been trying to say something else

So the Packers have a "holier than thou" attitude because of a goal expressed by a new head coach in his first press conference? It is based on something he said before he ever performed any act as a head coach in his life, other than presumably signing his contract and showing up at the press conference?

Isn't that a bit absurd?