Is Aaron Rodgers more of the problem than we might think?

[esoxx]

Favre had just 2 interceptions, I believe that is below his career playoff average

Ol' Gunslinger had 46 attempts and 1 rush which I am going to count as a pass attempt unless someone remembers him doing a end around or QB sneak. 47 passes, 35 runs, just 57% pass plays. 5 to 1 turnover rate. Vikes should have won walking away but couldn't get away from turnovers. Hmmm, who do I know that doesn't do that?

The guy who has been to less Super Bowl's than Favre?

[RashanGary]

The guy who has been to less Super Bowl's than Favre?

True.

I see them as about a horse a piece. Favre did a lot of little things well that don’t show up as a stat, just a W. He didn’t tinker so much at the line so he had better pace and I think that helps with running the ball. He also threw to running backs and ran the ball enough to be effective.

AR has better stats but Favre was just as much of a winner for the little things he did. Now, AR could do those things but he’s such a stubborn overintellectual perfectionist, he just has to tinker and dilly dally like a douche bag rather than play with aggressive pace and let his OL stick it to the other guy. It’s weak, over intellectual football.

[RashanGary]

AR is turnover adverse but it comes at the expense of the running game because he slows the pace and doesn’t let his guys tee off. He tinkers and dilly dallys.

Favre made everyone better by being so consistent and fast paced and aggressive. His guys could line up and play aggressive without overthinking.

Tom Brady does both. AR and Favre are both great but had/have their major flaws.

[RashanGary]

The bright side is, MLF is bringing in an aggressive, fast paced scheme with an emphasis on running the ball, up to and including the aggressive pace with less dilly dallying. So AR will have fewer opportunities to wreck the run game.

[pbmax]

The guy who has been to less Super Bowl's than Favre?

One career isn't over.

I might have to rewatch that game. Vikings defense put up stellar numbers but its hard to remember if they were that good or the Saints field on offense was just that short.

[pbmax]

AR is turnover adverse but it comes at the expense of the running game because he slows the pace and doesn’t let his guys tee off. He tinkers and dilly dallys.

So the pace was limiting the run offense? Aaron Jones had a 5.5 ypa due to slow pace? In both of the last two years?

[pbmax]

The bright side is, MLF is bringing in an aggressive, fast paced scheme with an emphasis on running the ball, up to and including the aggressive pace with less dilly dallying. So AR will have fewer opportunities to wreck the run game.

Got a quote about the fast paced Shanahan/La Fleur offense being fast paced?

Rank	Team	2018	Last 3	Last 1	Home	Away	2017
1	Baltimore	70.2	64.0	59.0	68.2	72.5	65.9
2	New England	69.1	80.0	68.0	71.6	66.9	67.5
3	LA Rams		66.5	68.0	60.0	69.9	63.5	62.6
4	Pittsburgh	66.1	66.0	66.0	63.4	68.9	66.4
5	Indianapolis	66.1	64.0	53.0	65.9	66.3	62.1
6	Tampa Bay	65.9	59.3	56.0	66.5	65.4	64.7
7	Houston		65.2	68.3	68.0	66.2	64.0	64.2
8	Green Bay	64.1	67.0	56.0	64.9	63.4	62.4
9	Philadelphia	63.9	60.7	47.0	66.1	62.2	66.9
10	Cleveland	63.9	61.0	56.0	67.2	60.6	63.0
11	Detroit		63.7	65.3	72.0	63.9	63.5	61.2
12	Dallas		63.6	64.3	55.0	65.4	61.8	62.8
13	New Orleans	63.6	62.0	64.0	62.4	65.1	62.4
14	Denver		63.4	68.7	74.0	64.5	62.4	67.2
15	Chicago		63.3	62.0	63.0	63.8	62.8	58.4
16	Carolina	63.2	69.7	68.0	64.2	62.1	64.5
17	Atlanta		63.1	63.0	76.0	59.6	66.6	61.9
18	Buffalo		63.0	61.0	60.0	64.6	61.4	63.8
19	Jacksonville	62.8	52.7	47.0	62.4	63.1	66.8
20	Minnesota	62.7	57.7	52.0	62.9	62.5	66.3
21	San Francisco	62.7	56.7	58.0	63.8	61.6	66.1
22	Seattle		62.6	62.7	52.0	64.4	61.0	62.9
23	Kansas City	62.3	59.7	47.0	63.2	61.1	61.1
24	Oakland		62.2	60.3	65.0	64.7	60.2	59.5
25	NY Giants	61.5	64.0	67.0	63.0	60.0	64.8
26	NY Jets		60.7	61.3	55.0	63.4	58.0	61.5
27	Washington	60.4	54.7	44.0	61.1	59.8	61.4
28	LA Chargers	59.7	61.3	63.0	64.4	56.6	63.8
29	Tennessee	58.8	55.7	45.0	55.6	61.9	61.1
30	Cincinnati	58.6	55.7	46.0	62.2	55.0	57.9
31	Arizona		56.4	60.7	64.0	56.9	55.9	66.2
32	Miami		54.9	52.3	61.0	52.4	57.4	62.2

[pbmax]

I think the audible-ing controversy has been extended to ridiculousness.

[RashanGary]

I think the audible-ing controversy has been extended to ridiculousness.

A part of that stat is young QBs.

[pbmax]

A part of that stat is young QBs.

Those young QBs aren't audible-ing.

McVay runs with pace, but he is also making adjustments over the headset with Goff so they need to be done before 15 seconds or less on the play clock.

[RashanGary]

Those young QBs aren't audible-ing.

McVay runs with pace, but he is also making adjustments over the headset with Goff so they need to be done before 15 seconds or less on the play clock.

New offenses, young QBs, injuries. Lots go into it. AR being one one the longest tenured QBs in the league in the same offense for 12+ years. He shoulda been with Brady at the top.

[RashanGary]

Running the ball more takes more time off the clock.

[texaspackerbacker]

I doubt there even is an "audible-ing controversy" among the people actually involved - the players and coaching staff. It's all in the minds of a few media troublemakers and fans who swallow what they spew.

Aaron Rodgers does what he does, and he does it better than anyone else in the history of the NFL. Being "turnover averse" is the most important single aspect of being an NFL QB, and it is the main thing that separates Rodgers from basically anybody else, past and present.

GOAT deniers should jump the fence and go to wherever the hell they think the grass is greener.

[pbmax]

New offenses, young QBs, injuries. Lots go into it. AR being one one the longest tenured QBs in the league in the same offense for 12+ years. He shoulda been with Brady at the top.

Completely different offensive design. McCarthy's no huddle fell apart after 2014.

[pbmax]

Running the ball more takes more time off the clock.

Still waiting for your pace statistic rather than your Tank-like insistence that audible-ing is the root cause of all offensive problems.

Would settle for any evidence that audibles are a cause, rather than a symptom of offensive function.