MCGINN---NEW JSO ARTICLES..........THE BLAME FALLS ON

[Pugger]

It's really shocking just how poor the ball handling was from the RB's. Starks had 5 fumbles this year after having 5 total in his first 5 years. Lacy also had 5 this year after having 4 his first 2 years.

Perhaps this is why Sam Gash got canned?

[yetisnowman]

Davis is viable? I thought he passed away after running one route yesterday.

Daniels ran two pretty unremarkable routes on his TDs.

But I guess if you say Daniels is an athlete, it must be true. You've been right about everything else.

Well Denver's "other" TE's caught 32 passes for 374 yards. If you want to play the semantics game...fine whatever. Viable? More so than the Packers other guys...yes. Watch the detailed replays of Daniels Td catches, since obviously you missed the details the first go round. He made double moves on both plays that got the defender off balance and out of position. On the second he shook Jamie Collins and outran him to the corner of the endzone. Remarkable? Maybe not by your defintion, but far more athletic than anything I've ever seen Dick Rod do. And Daniels is 9 years older.

[yetisnowman]

The advantage in Denver for the TE is that the wideouts scare people.

Including their speedy #2 guy, who was ALSO a free agent signing. And he makes half of what Cobb does.......oops!

[mraynrand]

Well Denver's "other" TE's caught 32 passes for 374 yards. If you want to play the semantics game...fine whatever. Viable? More so than the Packers other guys...yes. Watch the detailed replays of Daniels Td catches, since obviously you missed the details the first go round. He made double moves on both plays that got the defender off balance and out of position. On the second he shook Jamie Collins and outran him to the corner of the endzone. Remarkable? Maybe not by your defintion, but far more athletic than anything I've ever seen Dick Rod do. And Daniels is 9 years older.

Try the hail mary catch at Detroit or the TD versus NE last year. I know the guy's a bit sluggish but he's comparable to a 32 year old veteran -which is what Daniels was when Ted could have signed him. I'm sure a competent TE coach could teach Dickrod one of those complicated 'double moves' if the guy shed 20 pounds (Dickrod, not the coach ).

[mraynrand]

Including their speedy #2 guy, who was ALSO a free agent signing. And he makes half of what Cobb does.......oops!

That was a pretty good signing. Sanders, like Cobb, benefits a lot from having a strong #1 WR. Sanders is a little more inconsistent, but that's a relatively minor quibble.

[Bossman641]

Being critical does not mean you hate, want someone fired, etc. Ted is a very good GM - even if he only landed Rodgers, he still managed to land Rodgers - but that doesn't mean he's perfect and should be above criticism.

Sure, that's 100% true. But when posters claim TT and MM don't actually want to win the SB and instead just want to win 10 games every year; or that MM is afraid to make any changes is a load of crap.

[yetisnowman]

Try the hail mary catch at Detroit or the TD versus NE last year. I know the guy's a bit sluggish but he's comparable to a 32 year old veteran -which is what Daniels was when Ted could have signed him. I'm sure a competent TE coach could teach Dickrod one of those complicated 'double moves' if the guy shed 20 pounds (Dickrod, not the coach ).

Yes he jogged up the field against piss poor coverage and caught that moonball with no one in front of him. The guy is pretty good good at attacking the ball at it's highest point, the problem is he just doesn't get open often. If you can't concede Daniels is a more complete TE, ok. The funny thing s you highlight two plays over two seasons. Whereas I highlight two plays from the same game.

[Striker]

Yes he jogged up the field against piss poor coverage and caught that moonball with no one in front of him. The guy is pretty good good at attacking the ball at it's highest point, the problem is he just doesn't get open often. If you can't concede Daniels is a more complete TE, ok. The funny thing s you highlight two plays over two seasons. Whereas I highlight two plays from the same game.

So that's two plays in one game...after not doing anything overly spectacular in the other 17? Sounds pretty comparable once you average it out.

Recency bias is fun.

[Patler]

The guy is pretty good good at attacking the ball at it's highest point, the problem is he just doesn't get open often.

Yet, he caught more passes than Finley did in any season but one, and he was #12 on the TE list for receptions this year, only 3 short of being in the top 10. I don't think his problem is getting open, I think his problem is doing something with it after he catches it. I don't know if coaching can improve that, maybe not.

[Striker]

Yet, he caught more passes than Finley did in any season but one, and he was #12 on the TE list for receptions this year, only 3 short of being in the top 10. I don't think his problem is getting open, I think his problem is doing something with it after he catches it. I don't know if coaching can improve that, maybe not.

He did alright on any routes that let him just go downfield or on ones that let him out jump other players.

It was those stupid TE screens, passes in the flat, and swing pass that were just...yeah.

[Fritz]

The point would be Fritz - he made changes to things that were working, and he didn't change what wasn't working; hence, this seasons dismal performance.

The point would be that last year special teams were awful, and that in the NFC Championship game, MM had his head so buried in the laminated playcalling sheet that he wasn't really managing the entire game, so MM made a change to become more involved. It worked for the ST problem, at least, and I also had a sense he was more aware of the overall game situation -but it meant the offense went backward. So he changed that again.

He didn't change what wasn't working? If by that you mean the bad offensive performance - well, he did make a change. It may have taken longer than we'd have liked, but he made a change. He took back the playcalling.

[yetisnowman]

That was a pretty good signing. Sanders, like Cobb, benefits a lot from having a strong #1 WR. Sanders is a little more inconsistent, but that's a relatively minor quibble.

In what way is Sanders more inconsistent? I find your assertions sometimes....well, just odd. My initial reaction based on what I observed, was that Cobb, if anything was more inconsistent. Then just to check myself, I examine the stats. Let's say a low impact game for a receiver like this is under 50 yds receiving? Cobb had 10 games this season like that. Sanders had 3. Sanders also averaged almost 5 more yards per reception, meaning he was much more of a big play threat. And remember he had high voice, no HGH Peyton and Brockness monster throwing it to him.

[yetisnowman]

So that's two plays in one game...after not doing anything overly spectacular in the other 17? Sounds pretty comparable once you average it out.

Recency bias is fun.

Eyeball bias is more fun. Yes their numbers average out comparably. But remember that Daniels did not have a healthy starter throwing him the ball basically the entire season.

[Patler]

He did alright on any routes that let him just go downfield or on ones that let him out jump other players.

It was those stupid TE screens, passes in the flat, and swing pass that were just...yeah.

There was one, I think against the Cardinals, that epitomized his season. It was so absurd I laughed out loud when it happened. He caught the ball, took two steps as the DB approached, then came to a dead stop with his feet straight under him and about shoulder width apart, almost like approaching a dog ready to bite. He never moved his feet at all as the DB dove and latched on to his lower legs. He then toppled over like a tree being cut.

No effort to make the guy miss. Even worse, no effort to run through a DB 50-60 pounds lighter than him. Just stop, and topple over.

[Bossman641]

In what way is Sanders more inconsistent? I find your assertions sometimes....well, just odd. My initial reaction based on what I observed, was that Cobb, if anything was more inconsistent. Then just to check myself, I examine the stats. Let's say a low impact game for a receiver like this is under 50 yds receiving? Cobb had 10 games this season like that. Sanders had 3. Sanders also averaged almost 5 more yards per reception, meaning he was much more of a big play threat. And remember he had high voice, no HGH Peyton and Brockness monster throwing it to him.

He had high voice? What does that mean? (*EDIT* nvm I'm assuming you are referring to Manning's commercials)

The obvious answer is Sanders had the benefit of lining up next to Thomas for all 16 games. He wasn't the focal point of the offense. Cobb had a poor year, along with the rest of the offense. Next year I expect Cobb will be back to his normal 14-15 YPC. Sanders was a great pickup for Denver back in 2014 though. He's obviously benefited from playing with great players (he's lined up opposite Antonio Brown or D Thomas for every game of the past 3 seasons) but I'm not going to hold that against him.