MCGINN---NEW JSO ARTICLES..........THE BLAME FALLS ON

[mraynrand]

I was always impressed with his potential. I recall when Denver got him thinking Elway made a solid move.

TT can't see too far. His head and eyes ....his note pad.

If he didn't write that players name down 'first'.... on his pad ....he thinks.......he's not Packer people.

It wasn't Elway; it was Kubiak who brought him in. Daniels has never played for anyone else.
The rest of what you wrote is gibberish, as usual.

[Fritz]

Probably not. But on the other hand. They probably aren't saying what can we do differently to make us better. Because relying on the same stagnant tactics and HOPING for a better result is just fucking stupid. No one is saying that TT should go out and blow his whole wad on big name FA's. But a few solid vets in key positions can go a long ways.

I think the piece in boldface type is just flat out wrong. McCarthy, every year, talks about how he looks back and studies the season to see what can be done differently. After the Year of the Hamstring, he changed the practice schedule and the results were good. After last year's season-ending loss, he looked over the game and the season and decided that he could do something differently - change the coaching responsibilities, including his own - to make the team better. That one didn't work.

McCarthy self-scouts pretty well, I'd say. His solutions sometimes work, and sometimes don't but he does ask what can be done differently to make the team better.

My guess is that this off-season he'll address the problem of getting backups (wide receivers expecially) up-to-speed.

[3irty1]

Last year when McCarthy did his big shake up of how the coaches and responsibilities were organized I got the impression that this was mainly to free himself of some duties so he could do more to manage the defense and special teams as they were the squeaky wheel.

Since those two areas of the team improved significantly I don't know that his shakeup was a total failure. If all three aspects of the team (and strength and conditioning) need his babysitting and flounder without it, perhaps more heads should be rolling. I'd think a coordinator ought to be able to succeed with some level of autonomy.

[Cheesehead Craig]

I'm a Badger homer and thus, love seeing Daniels do well. But bringing him in would have not caused a bunch of cheering that our TE problem was fixed. He doesn't stretch the field and that's what the board was all wanting this off-season was a TE that could have done that. He's likely about as fleet of foot as Rodgers is. TT would have been lambasted here with bringing in another slow TE.

[pbmax]

The advantage in Denver for the TE is that the wideouts scare people.

[pbmax]

Last year when McCarthy did his big shake up of how the coaches and responsibilities were organized I got the impression that this was mainly to free himself of some duties so he could do more to manage the defense and special teams as they were the squeaky wheel.

Since those two areas of the team improved significantly I don't know that his shakeup was a total failure. If all three aspects of the team (and strength and conditioning) need his babysitting and flounder without it, perhaps more heads should be rolling. I'd think a coordinator ought to be able to succeed with some level of autonomy.

I think he had more impact on ST than Defense, but I agree. Defense was on the way up at the end of last year. I still wouldn't mind him sticking his head in there. But I think he ceded too much control over the offense to Clements/Bennett.

Also think he needs to have someone in charge of game management.

Plus for the love of Coaches Named Mike, figure out what to do about 2 Man coverage.

[Zool]

Still arguing about Click Bait McGinn after all these years. Still have the same people calling the same other people homers. Good fuck this shit is like clockwork.

[Pugger]

A few thoughts; my goal is to win a title every year. I do consider the season a failure when we don't.
I cant get on the MM is a bad coach train though; on my end, TT has let us down some.

Hoody Genius is elite. What coaches do you clearly take over MM ? My guess is Pete Carroll might be considered the next best. Then who...Tomlin ? Again, I find it hard to separate MM with the next best head NFL coaches after Carroll.

From that list, I might take Payton over MM; truth be told I would not be surprised if he coaches GB someday. We had the job he wanted,after all

I'm not defending TT for leaving the cupboard dry at TE; look at the list of FA's we could have had last year

I hope TT decides to utilize more means than just the draft...and undrafted or unwanted free agents, in the upcoming season

Mike has been a lot more successful than Sean Payton has since NO won their ring.

[mraynrand]

^^ Sure, but isn't it reasonable to attribute the offensive failures to the injuries and Chubby Lacy? It seems those things are mostly out of Stubby's control. (Stubby appears to think that some of the changes weren't good because he is keeping play calling for next year).

So what will be the offseason moves this year based on this past years' fails?

1) change position coaches
2) Have backups better prepared (Fritz' point) - I dunno if they can improve here - When five WRs spend significant time injured and the remaining guy (Jones) is old and slow (and dinged up as well) and the only other guy (Janis) seemed to suffer from brain fail it wouldn't appear there's much recourse. So maybe that's why they changed TE and RB coach because they have to have the flexibility of production from those positions if the WR spot fails. ??
3) Red zone and short yardage - ?? Personnel: draft, free agency. If Lang and Sitton are going to be beat up long term then they probably need to draft at guard and tackle. Might be a spot for FA, especially since this is their 'on' year (a la Patler). Time to bring Rip along (see below as well)
4) Running Backs. Have to improve Starks' security and get Lacy in shape. They may need a backup plan - a dynamic back if these two fail. Rip might be their check down guy. The time is now.
5) Other? TE

[mraynrand]

Still arguing about Click Bait McGinn after all these years. Still have the same people calling the same other people homers. Good fuck this shit is like clockwork.

At least I saved money on a watch

[mraynrand]

Still arguing about Click Bait McGinn after all these years.

I think Bob's gotten quite a bit worse over the past couple of years. He's achieved troll status.

[Pugger]

I do not think you will find many who disagree with that, but, of course, you identified one of the key factors that people want to overlook. Are there really any free-agent tackles available who are any good who could be used as backups?

I think it was one of the pregame shows this year that discussed how bad tackle play had been. One of the commentators was someone I found credible, I don't recall if it was Howie Long, or one of the other former offensive or defensive linemen, but the gist of his comment was that there were a lot of tackles starting this year who, just a few years ago, would've been backups at best. While they didn't mention it, I would point out that Marshall Newhouse started 14 games of the 14 games he played this year for the Giants. I'm not sure there are many on here who would be satisfied with him as the backup left tackle, yet he started all year.

I think Ted Thompson has tried to maintain a steady flow of new blood for the offensive line. I expect he will continue to do so. ome will turn out, some will fail, but hopefully he will find one this year who will be at least a suitable backup left tackle. It is a tough spot to fill, and perhaps the best solution is JC Tretter, just as years ago the best solution was to move Flanagan from the starting center position to left tackle.

I think we can win with Bak and Bulaga starting and Tretter backing them up next year. Look how well the line did when they were all together in the AZ playoff game even tho they were a pretty beat up group. I wouldn't be opposed to keeping Barclay if they only used him as a backup guard.

[Carolina_Packer]

I think the bigger question, and one we can not answer, is would Oher even consider signing with a team that has two established starters, where he might not play all year? Didn't he sign a short term contract to prove himself and hopefully get another, bigger contract in two years as a legitimate NFL starter? If he signed with a team where he did not have a legitimate chance to start, isn't he killing his future chances? If you were his agent, would you advise him to take that type of deal from GB, knowing that Bakhtiari had not missed a game in his career, and Bulaga missed just one in 2014? A team with a starting line the staff seemed very happy with? I think I would have encouraged him to look for a team without a returning starter, or a team with a starter they were clearly unhappy with, even if he had to accept a somewhat inferior deal..

Good points. There was a point this year when they didn't know who might start at C with both Linsley and Tretter hurt for a period of time. When you are forced to put Josh Walker at OT, your depth is being tested! I don't fault Walker. The Packers put themselves in the spot of playing guys like him for depth, and so do other teams. Nobody's going to pay starter money for a backup and as you say, no starter or potential starter quality guy is going to go for being a backup, unless you get lucky and sign the guy for a 1 year prove it deal and he performs when called upon. I think you are right that they can fill need with first and second year guys. I know they like to have versatile guys, but it would also be nice to have a backup T who has the footwork and quickness to not be a liability when they are called upon, as we've seen with Barclay and Walker. I wondered about Vujnovich and whether they considered adding him to the roster from the practice squad when they were thin at OT, but they lived with playing two guys out of position (Tretter and Sitton). Walker says that he can play OT, and maybe he will yet as a backup, but early sample size was not encouraging, and he looks like a G to me. Anyway, injuries suck. Getting to the point of relying on depth that turns out to be meh definitely sucks, but the front office will just have to get busy finding more roster depth and creating that competition.

[Bossman641]

4) Running Backs. Have to improve Starks' security and get Lacy in shape. They may need a backup plan - a dynamic back if these two fail. Rip might be their check down guy. The time is now.

It's really shocking just how poor the ball handling was from the RB's. Starks had 5 fumbles this year after having 5 total in his first 5 years. Lacy also had 5 this year after having 4 his first 2 years.

[vince]

Mistakes were made this year for sure. That's stating the obvious. I think the biggest problem was that Rodgers wasn't on the same page at all times with McCarthy. I think his sensitivity to criticism created a wedge between them and Rodgers dug his heels in a bit. By listening to Rodgers pressers and watching his mannerisms I think he didn't want Janis out there because he wasn't confident he'd be where Rodgers expected him to be. For some reason it seemed like Adams was Rodgers' boy this year and his inability to recover from the high-ankle sprain doomed that marriage.

That, combined with the fact that every starting lineman fought health problems for the majority of the year, made Rodgers' MO (holding the ball longer than the average QB), produced nightmarish results on O.

Rodgers inability to make hay with his pre-snap adjustment game - and sensitivity to being told he needs to take more coaching and get the ball out quicker - even in the face of stacked press-man defenses - caused what we saw offensively IMO.

You can blame Rodgers' stubbornness/ego or you can blame McCarthy's for not maintaining an open coaching relationship, having too heavy of a hand when he inserted himself back into the offense perhaps. Take your pick but there's enough blame for both of them here.

Ted sat on his hands but I don't blame him a bit. I think they had enough talent to win it all. O-line and WR decimation along with what I think was a riff between Rodgers and Mac were the problems.
Plus no one seems to see it yet but they have serious cap challenges coming right up - particularly after next year. Ted's gonna need every penny he can get.