Thompson vs. Belichick

[woodbuck27]

I've said it many times in several forums, if Thompson hadn't hit it big getting Aaron Rodgers, his reputation and Packer fortunes in general would be EXTREMELY different. Call it luck or call it skill in drafting Rodgers, but without that, we'd be in pretty bad shape given Ted's overall way of doing things.

100%...Bang On ! Exactly... and please ...hahahaa..I was going to ask:

Can't we agree on this as factual as it is. It just simply is this:

Bill Belichick is light years superior to Ted Thompson and any other NFL man when it comes to 'how to get to the Super Bowl and hopefully win'.

Bill Belichick is highly respected as the greatest mind and all about winning in the NFL. His head is into it 24-7 in terms of what he might do to improve his teams roster. His ability to game plan and manage ..his half time adjustment ability and success...are all 5* STAR qualities.

You cannot NOT have courage and the nuts to be anywhere even close to the respect and accorded praise that Bill Belichick is awarded by NFL analysts.

Ted Thompson just doesn't have the go get it attitude Packer fans might expect. We need a GM that studies BB and at least tries to emulate all his best qualities.

I'm no longer disappointed in Ted Thompson. I've grown to expect little more growth from him. Soon he'll be gone and I can have some real hope the Green Bay Packers may enter an Era of more REAL Super Bowl hope for Packer Nation.

[mraynrand]

A counterfactual is only useful if it tells you something you did not know.

GM               QB              Team
John Schneider   Russell Wilson  Seahawks
Kevin Colbert    Rothliesberger  Steelers
Bill Parcells    Tony Romo       Cowboys
Belichick        Tom Brady       Patriots
Dave Gettleman   Cam Newton      Panthers
Pollen           Manning         Colts
Polian           Collins         Panthers
Polian           Kelly           Bills
Jerry Reese      Manning         Giants
Newsome          Flacco          Ravens

This explains the allergic reaction to Manning

[mraynrand]

I'm no longer disappointed in Ted Thompson. I've grown to expect little more growth from him. Soon he'll be gone and I can have some real hope the Green Bay Packers may enter an Era of more REAL Super Bowl hope for Packer Nation.

I just don't know what's wrong with the Packers that they can't land the greatest GM/Coach in modern NFL history. Always sloppy seconds with this organization.

[pbmax]

I just don't know what's wrong with the Packers that they can't land the greatest GM/Coach in modern NFL history. Always sloppy seconds with this organization.

Just wait until the next GM is worse than Thompson.

Fire Murphy!

[wist43]

I've said it many times in several forums, if Thompson hadn't hit it big getting Aaron Rodgers, his reputation and Packer fortunes in general would be EXTREMELY different. Call it luck or call it skill in drafting Rodgers, but without that, we'd be in pretty bad shape given Ted's overall way of doing things.

When Rodgers went down a few years ago, we went 2-5-1. That pretty much sums up our overall roster minus the most important player.

Even though I think the defense has improved the past few years, it has been an achilles heel more often than not since dunderdummy has been here. Add to that the ZBS, soft philosophy underpinning the running game, and it makes it very difficult for this team to be successful, or even average, without a top-flight QB.

We simply aren't built to take over games in the trenches, consistently shut down another teams offense, or consistently run the ball to take pressure off our QB. If our QB goes down, we're pretty much done.

Homers would say that is pretty much the case with every team, but I would argue it is much more pronounced with the Packers than any other team. The Broncos won last year's SB essentially without even having a starting caliber QB on their roster. Put Manning and his noodle arm on the Packers, and we probably go 5-11.

[Patler]

When Rodgers went down a few years ago, we went 2-5-1. That pretty much sums up our overall roster minus the most important player.

Two things I wonder:

1. Would things have been as bad if Seneca Wallace hadn't gone down, too? Not that he was great, but at least he was experienced.
2. Would things be as bad with Hundley now as the back-up?

[mraynrand]

When Rodgers went down a few years ago, we went 2-5-1. That pretty much sums up our overall roster minus the most important player.

Did the Colts win 1 or 2 without Manning?

Patsies did better but missed playoffs without Brady

Steelers without Rapeburger - not so hot

Great QBs sort of have a positive effect on their team.

It's great that TT hired a guy like Stubby who revived Favre's career and made Rodgers'

[Joemailman]

Two things I wonder:

1. Would things have been as bad if Seneca Wallace hadn't gone down, too? Not that he was great, but at least he was experienced.
2. Would things be as bad with Hundley now as the back-up?

The answer is likely no. A lot of people tend to forget the Packers went 2-5-1 with their 3rd and 4th quarterbacks, not their backup quarterback. Good teams can often be competitive with their backup QB, but not their 3rd. In 2014 Arizona won games with Stanton playing after Palmer got hurt. But when Stanton got hurt, they went 1-3, and the win was a 12-6 score.

[wist43]

Two things I wonder:

1. Would things have been as bad if Seneca Wallace hadn't gone down, too? Not that he was great, but at least he was experienced.
2. Would things be as bad with Hundley now as the back-up?

My guess on 1 would be, yes... Wallace was a game manager at best; our offense, and indeed our entire team, is built around having an elite QB. Without an elite QB, we're a sub .500 team.

On #2?? Who knows... I like Hundley - we'll see. QB is almost impossible to project.

[Patler]

My guess on 1 would be, yes... Wallace was a game manager at best; our offense, and indeed our entire team, is built around having an elite QB. Without an elite QB, we're a sub .500 team.

On #2?? Who knows... I like Hundley - we'll see. QB is almost impossible to project.

I don't think Flynn was much different than Wallace, and over the years GB did fairly well with Flynn on the field. I think they could have done as well with Wallace, which may or may not have meant more W's in the games Tolzien played. Flynn was essentially 2-2-1 that year, and if he had played the whole game, the tie against MN might have been a W.

[mraynrand]

Without an elite QB, we're a sub .500 team.

like most teams with elite QBs. Some teams, built around their defense, have been able to win with average QBs, but even these teams mostly needed above average play from the QB to win championships. (e.g. 'recently,' Manning, Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Grossman - almost, )

An elite QB covers a lot of flaws, creates a winning climate resulting in lower draft picks, and it's extremely rare to find a team with a backup for an elite QB able to win consistently.

[mraynrand]

But I'll say it again, when comparing TT to BB8, you're comparing him to a guy who is arguably the best football mind in the modern NFL and may go down in history as the greatest NFL coach/GM ever. Not bad company.

[texaspackerbacker]

Seneca Wallace stunk. We might have done a little better with a better back up - if they had gotten Tolzien prepared quicker for example, but my point was and is:

The Packer roster overall is substandard outside of Aaron Rodgers - pretty much everywhere. That would be what Ted is remembered for if not for Rodgers. I'm not all that enamored with Belichek either - that record without Brady says a lot about him.

[Patler]

But I'll say it again, when comparing TT to BB8, you're comparing him to a guy who is arguably the best football mind in the modern NFL and may go down in history as the greatest NFL coach/GM ever. Not bad company.

Even the potentially greatest NFL coach/GM ever won barely 40% of his games for 6+ seasons, until Tom Brady became his QB.

[mraynrand]

Even the potentially greatest NFL coach/GM ever won barely 40% of his games for 6+ seasons, until Tom Brady became his QB.

Sure and the sun warms the planet.

BB8 was also responsible for two other Super Bowl wins as an assistant, even stifling the high powered bills offense.