The Elephant In The Room

[RashanGary]

The ball came out so fast. That was the problem. If they smothered routes, he would have had to hold it, but time after time instant releases and we couldn't stop it.

[Freak Out]

The ball came out so fast. That was the problem. If they smothered routes, he would have had to hold it, but time after time instant releases and we couldn't stop it.

Yep...and when they tried to pressure it ended up costing them.

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and our offense looks its best when a-rod gets the ball out fast too

why fat mike and a-rod keep reverting back to the long slow developing plays is beyond me

[RashanGary]

Yep...and when they tried to pressure it ended up costing them.

I think it was a combo of really bad corner play, bad ILB play (nobody ever having any instincts on those quick slants) and so/so pass rush. It seemed to me like they hit him a few times and got close many others. Perry, Matthews and Daniels are solid pass rushers but 52 is injured. We could use one more young one to work with Matthews and Perry and replace Peppers. We desperately need a corner and 23 needs to bounce back really well heathy and after the offseason. I think we need a stud ILB too. Those three things and I think we could be a top 5-10 defense.

[Freak Out]

Ok....fuck it. Is it really time to let a new GM take over and roll with this thing? I am always hesitant to change in this way but fuck it!

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I think it was a combo of really bad corner play, bad ILB play (nobody ever having any instincts on those quick slants) and so/so pass rush. It seemed to me like they hit him a few times and got close many others. Perry, Matthews and Daniels are solid pass rushers but 52 is injured. We could use one more young one to work with Matthews and Perry and replace Peppers. We desperately need a corner and 23 needs to bounce back really well heathy and after the offseason. I think we need a stud ILB too. Those three things and I think we could be a top 5-10 defense.

we've been leaving the middle of the field open since the super bowl season, no matter who the ILBs are

i just chaulk it up to being a part of capers system

and when isn't clay hurt, he's always hurt, he always will be hurt. might be time to move on from him if he can't learn how to play hurt. he's like shields. sam is one head bounce off the turf from being lost for the year, clay is one split end away from being a shit player for the year

you can't build a team around guys that you hope might stay healthy next year for the first time in many years

[texaspackerbacker]

Back to the original post in the thread, YES we are wasting Aaron Rodgers' superb talent - in numerous ways. However, Dom Capers absolutely is NOT the problem. Rather, Dom has been an inadequate solution to the problem of mediocre personnel on defense. How many times do I have to say it, without Capers' scheming and compensating, we would be even more screwed on defense than we have been. So many other teams have so much more success drafting defensive players, and we basically don't. Whether it's white LBs or pint-sized Corners or project/tweener D Lineman or whatever, Ted Thompson has just had a long term pattern of not picking winners like virtually every other team in the league does. The same is true for most other positions, but this thread is about defense.

[woodbuck27]

We got hammered at 2 positions - CB and RB. It also didn't help to get an early bye this year. We've been going nonstop since week 4. You could see the guys were running out of gas once we got behind by 2 scores. We've been playing playoff type games for 2 months and we finally collapsed.

You make solid points here.

[Deputy Nutz]

A complete overall of the front office and most likely the coaching staff is a bold move after losing an NFC Championship game

[pbmax]

The question is why?

If someone asked me what do successful post-season and Super Bowl teams have in common, I'd say a devastating pass rush. We see it every year? We saw it yesterday where the difference was Atlanta's pass rush was in Arod's face all afternoon.

So, if this is true and not a figment of my aging imagination, somebody in GB has to do something to make our pass rush get home. It's like Tex said, we have a "warning track" pass rush...we almost get home but not quite.

Whether we need better players or better schemes or a switch to 4-3, I don't know. But the status quo is unacceptable.

1. Lack of pass rush talent. There isn't anyone who messes up their protection scheme or demands double teaming anymore.
2. Timing, when Packers blitzed, Ryan had throws available to him early enough that he could get the ball out.
3. Coverage, when receivers come open that fast, not much you can do.

The solution, which was Capers basic game plan the last two months, is to apply steady pressure and regular blitzing to force the ball to be thrown quick to anticipated areas. When the backside of the zone could not hold up, they went man and Jones was open.

There was a Falcons regular season game at Lambeau and the Packers dissected the Falcons in the first half. In the second, House got hurt and the backups hand to handle Jones with safety help over the top. He nearly brought the team back in the game. (might have been Shields who got hurt and House came in)

For this game, with Randall performing at less than adequate levels, they were one functional CB short.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Back to the original post in the thread, YES we are wasting Aaron Rodgers' superb talent - in numerous ways. However, Dom Capers absolutely is NOT the problem. Rather, Dom has been an inadequate solution to the problem of mediocre personnel on defense. How many times do I have to say it, without Capers' scheming and compensating, we would be even more screwed on defense than we have been. So many other teams have so much more success drafting defensive players, and we basically don't. Whether it's white LBs or pint-sized Corners or project/tweener D Lineman or whatever, Ted Thompson has just had a long term pattern of not picking winners like virtually every other team in the league does. The same is true for most other positions, but this thread is about defense.

Elite pass rushers are the most demanded of all players in the draft. Thus, they are long gone by the time we pick. TT is going to have to trade up to get a Von Miller-type guy.

[pbmax]

The question is why?

If someone asked me what do successful post-season and Super Bowl teams have in common, I'd say a devastating pass rush. We see it every year? We saw it yesterday where the difference was Atlanta's pass rush was in Arod's face all afternoon.

So, if this is true and not a figment of my aging imagination, somebody in GB has to do something to make our pass rush get home. It's like Tex said, we have a "warning track" pass rush...we almost get home but not quite.

Whether we need better players or better schemes or a switch to 4-3, I don't know. But the status quo is unacceptable.

There are two personnel changes you need to make to switch between the forms, though having Elephants probably really only makes that one (strong OLB).

But nothing about the 4-3 helps your pass rush on base downs unless down lineman are better pass rushers than the OLB you pushed out to the TE.

I think its mainly personnel.

[Deputy Nutz]

Elite pass rushers are the most demanded of all players in the draft. Thus, they are long gone by the time we pick. TT is going to have to trade up to get a Von Miller-type guy.

Elite anything is pretty much gone by the time the Packers draft. What you expect is solid, you hope for elite, and pray you don't get fucked.

[pbmax]

The Falcon stripped the ball out of there. That happens. I'm not gonna rip on Rip.

When you have guys all over you back and legs, you have to cover the ball and fall down when attacked because you are vulnerable. He had a first down, the next yard wasn't worth the risk.

I know, easy to say in hindsight, but two hands over ball make that mistake disappear.

[pbmax]

didn't we give up a ton of yards every game that year, but also ended up with a ton of takeaways?

the bend, don't break days

or like i use to say. bend, bend, bend, bend, bend, NOW TRY NOT TO BREAK!

The big yardage/takeaway year was 2011. 2010 the Packers were top 7 in yardage allowed and better in points.