The Elephant In The Room

[Guiness]

i wouldn't say we got "hammered" at running back

we lost our starter, thats it

starks was worthless when healthy early on and should have been replaced right off the bat

losing lacy was big, but a lot of teams lose their #1 rb's

and at CB, we lost our #1, but IMO we should have known that he was probably done last year when he took forever to get over his last concussion. and like RB, we had our #2 and 3 healthy at the beggining of the year and they already looked lost before any injuries

It was a worse than that. Crockett was supposed to be the 3rd string, but landed on IR at then end of camp. Don Jackson was called up from the practice squad, lasted less than a half and off to IR he went.

Crockett and Jackson may or may not have worked out, but it still means their first four choices at the position were not available.

[red]

1. Lack of pass rush talent. There isn't anyone who messes up their protection scheme or demands double teaming anymore.
2. Timing, when Packers blitzed, Ryan had throws available to him early enough that he could get the ball out.
3. Coverage, when receivers come open that fast, not much you can do when you're playing 15 yards off the line of scrimage

The solution, which was Capers basic game plan the last two months, is to apply steady pressure and regular blitzing to force the ball to be thrown quick to anticipated areas. When the backside of the zone could not hold up, they went man and Jones was open.

There was a Falcons regular season game at Lambeau and the Packers dissected the Falcons in the first half. In the second, House got hurt and the backups hand to handle Jones with safety help over the top. He nearly brought the team back in the game. (might have been Shields who got hurt and House came in)

For this game, with Randall performing at less than adequate levels, they were one functional CB short.

there, i fixed it for you

[LEWCWA]

Things get tough when you don't execute and let the other team get out to a big lead.....Going in everyone knew it was going to be a game that took scoring in the 30's to win. Putting up 0 in the first 2 drives was the death knell for this team....they needed to just hang around by scoring and they didn't...we all knew it going in.....had they hung around early...they had a couple opportunities for turnovers in the first half....they didn't keep hanging around and didn't make the plays when they were there....This D has been making those plays lately, just not yesterday. The NFL has gone to high scoring and limiting what D's can do.....I feel the O let this team down and the D got torched like we thought they would....I tell you what, better O limits that though.

[pbmax]

there, i fixed it for you

Its true sometimes, young ones sometimes forget to take the down and distance into consideration.

There is nothing prettier than a short pass thrown to a guy in the middle who is converged on by two tacklers short of the sticks.

There is nothing more enraging that a TE who is sitting on the first down marker in a hole with no one in front of him.

[red]

Its true sometimes, young ones sometimes forget to take the down and distance into consideration.

There is nothing prettier than a short pass thrown to a guy in the middle who is converged on by two tacklers short of the sticks.

There is nothing more enraging that a TE who is sitting on the first down marker in a hole with no one in front of him.

i was just reading an article a guy wrote a few days ago talking about how randall has completely lost his confidence. either through injury or from getting burned deep (which did happen to him a few times last year), he seems to be playing deep and willing to give up everything in order to prevent the long play

[yetisnowman]

A competent D was hard pressed to keep this team at 33 points the week before.

1)We were talking about the game yesterday in relation to the statement that "No one was beating that team yesterday"
2)The Seahawks defense is a shell of its former self.

You guys want to create the narrative that we ran into a immovable force yesterday that's fine. I know what I saw. We missed multiple opportunities at turnovers, gave up a ton of 3rd and long conversions, tackled like garbage, and had mind numbing confusion and coverage gaffes. It was an atrocious defensive performance. As I said a competent mediocre defense keeps that a close game .

[woodbuck27]

When you have guys all over you back and legs, you have to cover the ball and fall down when attacked because you are vulnerable. He had a first down, the next yard wasn't worth the risk.

I know, easy to say in hindsight, but two hands over ball make that mistake disappear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SnN3KjFgmw

I am not sure that is being fair to Aaron Ripkowski as it at least appears (see approx. 35 seconds) as if before Jalen Collins strips Rip he is trying to get two hands over the ball.

That is all moot IMO as there was still 11 minutes remaining in the 2nd Qtr. and Atlanta took the ball on offence deep in their own territory with the score at 10-0 and lots of game left.

[Rutnstrut]

When you have guys all over you back and legs, you have to cover the ball and fall down when attacked because you are vulnerable. He had a first down, the next yard wasn't worth the risk.

I know, easy to say in hindsight, but two hands over ball make that mistake disappear.

He had 2 hands over the ball on a lot of that run. Near the end someone yanks one of his arms back and off the ball in a tackle attempt. The strip then happens next from the side he has protecting the ball yet. It was a great play by the Atlanta Defense. You know, the kind of great plays that the Packer D rarely if ever make anymore.

After watching this play many times again. I see he did NOT have 2 hands on it. He was attempting to, but it was too little too late. So I go back to my original reaction from the GDT. That's what you get for relying on non RB's for your running game. Yes I know he's a FB, but he's really a slightly smaller lineman that lines up in the backfield.

[vince]

You guys want to create the narrative that we ran into a immovable force yesterday that's fine. I know what I saw. We missed multiple opportunities at turnovers, gave up a ton of 3rd and long conversions, tackled like garbage, and had mind numbing confusion and coverage gaffes. It was an atrocious defensive performance. As I said a competent mediocre defense keeps that a close game .

Things get tough when you don't execute and let the other team get out to a big lead.....Going in everyone knew it was going to be a game that took scoring in the 30's to win. Putting up 0 in the first 2 drives was the death knell for this team....they needed to just hang around by scoring and they didn't...we all knew it going in.....had they hung around early...they had a couple opportunities for turnovers in the first half....they didn't keep hanging around and didn't make the plays when they were there....This D has been making those plays lately, just not yesterday. The NFL has gone to high scoring and limiting what D's can do.....I feel the O let this team down and the D got torched like we thought they would....I tell you what, better O limits that though.

I agree with most of both of these. And we saw how the league's most explosive offense on their own track will make teams pay when all that happens.

[pbmax]

He had 2 hands over the ball on a lot of that run. Near the end someone yanks one of his arms back and off the ball in a tackle attempt. The strip then happens next from the side he has protecting the ball yet. It was a great play by the Atlanta Defense. You know, the kind of great plays that the Packer D rarely if ever make anymore.

After watching this play many times again. I see he did NOT have 2 hands on it. He was attempting to, but it was too little too late. So I go back to my original reaction from the GDT. That's what you get for relying on non RB's for your running game. Yes I know he's a FB, but he's really a slightly smaller lineman that lines up in the backfield.

He's been a RB since college. He knows. Its been a problem this season, using the off hand to balance himself. Not his first time with this issue.

[pbmax]

1)We were talking about the game yesterday in relation to the statement that "No one was beating that team yesterday"
2)The Seahawks defense is a shell of its former self.

You guys want to create the narrative that we ran into a immovable force yesterday that's fine. I know what I saw. We missed multiple opportunities at turnovers, gave up a ton of 3rd and long conversions, tackled like garbage, and had mind numbing confusion and coverage gaffes. It was an atrocious defensive performance. As I said a competent mediocre defense keeps that a close game .

I guess we are just disagreeing about the amount of imagination flex the words "could win" allow.

Even if the Packers played Seahawks level defense (road variety), which they had not since Week 4, the offense would have needed five TDs or seven scoring drives if you kick FGs. Not sure the injured offense was going to do that yesterday.

[pbmax]

Final report on carnage:

Meanwhile, the Packers lost a whopping seven players — six of them starters — to injuries during the course of the game: Left guard Lane Taylor (knee), right guard T.J. Lang (foot), right tackle Bryan Bulaga (possible concussion), defensive back Micah Hyde (shoulder), inside linebacker Jake Ryan (shoulder), safety Kentrell Brice (shoulder) and running back Ty Montgomery (ribs). Brice and Montgomery came back briefly but then left the game again.

http://host.madison.com/wsj/sports/football/professional/packers-banged-up-jordy-nelson-earns-aaron-rodgers-praise-by/article_6e6d219b-6757-51d1-823c-9bd182a473c9.html

[vince]

He's been a RB since college. He knows. Its been a problem this season, using the off hand to balance himself. Not his first time with this issue.

Are you talking about Ripkowski? Footballdb has him with 0 fumbles and 1 fumble recovery this year. Not sure how you can say that's a problem.

[Rutnstrut]

Montgomery has been hurt/nicked up in every game since he has become a RB I believe.

[pbmax]

Are you talking about Ripkowski? Footballdb has him with 0 fumbles and 1 fumble recovery this year. Not sure how you can say that's a problem.

He has had several carries with the Walter Payton loaf of bread hold and I have thought he was going to cough up. Its part of his style.