IS IT TIME TO PUT UNTOUCHABLE TED ON TRIAL ? HOW DO YOU GRADE HIM ??

[mraynrand]

I don't give a flying fuck about pro-bowlers. It's a popularity contest anyway. Teams win consistently. Even fair players, with decent coaching can win games. Packers keep winning and draft low all the time. The physical freaks are all gone by the time the Packers draft, yet they keep winning. It really must suck to be so miserable that unless the Packers win the Superbowl, it's all wasted. I actually enjoy the games and the winning. I'd hate to be a fan of at least 25 teams. Idiots like Wist keep thinking the Packers are the Bengals, like they never win a game in the playoffs ("One and done" remember). Marv Lewis can't win a single sucking playoff game, but people bitch and moan about the Packers, calling for firing all the time. BORING. In response to all your clever rejoinders, no, I don't want to win a Super Bowl. Yes, I'm satisfied with playoff losses. Yes, I like failure. So stop asking. Just stop the fucking whining. Or go be a Tampa Bay fan or a Bears fan or a Detroit fan or a 49ers fan or a Dallas fan and tell me how great they're gonna be every year and how they do everything better than the Packers.

[Rutnstrut]

Don't you think that maybe that points to the real problem being the defensive coaching staff, and not so much TT's acquisition of talent? If TT had paid them, would they have blossomed into Pro Bowlers, or would they be overpaid role players due to the failings of the Capers. I think the latter.

This isn't really much of a defense of TT. Most GM's would have forced stubby to fire Capers years ago.

[Rutnstrut]

I don't give a flying fuck about pro-bowlers. It's a popularity contest anyway. Teams win consistently. Even fair players, with decent coaching can win games. Packers keep winning and draft low all the time. The physical freaks are all gone by the time the Packers draft, yet they keep winning. It really must suck to be so miserable that unless the Packers win the Superbowl, it's all wasted. I actually enjoy the games and the winning. I'd hate to be a fan of at least 25 teams. Idiots like Wist keep thinking the Packers are the Bengals, like they never win a game in the playoffs ("One and done" remember). Marv Lewis can't win a single sucking playoff game, but people bitch and moan about the Packers, calling for firing all the time. BORING. In response to all your clever rejoinders, no, I don't want to win a Super Bowl. Yes, I'm satisfied with playoff losses. Yes, I like failure. So stop asking. Just stop the fucking whining. Or go be a Tampa Bay fan or a Bears fan or a Detroit fan or a 49ers fan or a Dallas fan and tell me how great they're gonna be every year and how they do everything better than the Packers.

This is all true but. Other teams don't have the best damn QB in the world. When you have that to build on, you do what's needed to make as many SB runs as possible. No Ted has not done what's needed, he's done what he wanted.

[texaspackerbacker]

My opposition to Ted is well known. The only two reasons I gave him a D and not an F is that line about getting rid of Capers, which I think would be stupid, and the fact that Ted did draft Aaron Rodgers.

The argument that we draft so low every year doesn't hold water. There are a few other teams in that situation who do a lot better, and there are players drafted below the first round who turn out to be star quality. Given the mediocrity of the Packers roster other than Aaron Rodgers, I can't see how even those less opposed to Ted could give him better than a C grade, as the supporting cast for Aaron Rodgers is at very best, average, and probably way below average.

[call_me_ishmael]

In the past 5 years, he has found one superstar (Bahktiari). That says it all. He scores a D. The team's record is very good, but that is largely due to players acquired outside of the 5 year window.

[bobblehead]

I don’t see how he can be above average

NFCC 3 of last 4 years. Perennial playoff team. 3rd winningest team in NFL over last 10 years. Has spawned 3 successful top 10 GMs into the league. Started out with the foundation by hiring a head coach that is a top notch QB coach, then drafting and developing a top 5 QB all time despite fans calling for his head when he turned the page on Brent. Consistently drafts in the bottom 5-6 spots of the round but still puts a winner on the field.

I drop him to a B for not insisting on "retiring" Dom. Also, both he and MM have not adjusted to the very limited practice time allowed by NFL rules and gone to a veteran backup to ARod instead of trying to develop a young talent.

How he is above average?? Well, results alone tell you that he is WAY above average since its 100% his roster and team. If you google top 5 GMs in NFL I would bet he is on every layman's list.

[bobblehead]

This isn't really much of a defense of TT. Most GM's would have forced stubby to fire Capers years ago.

You have interviewed most GMs?

[bobblehead]

This is all true but. Other teams don't have the best damn QB in the world. When you have that to build on, you do what's needed to make as many SB runs as possible. No Ted has not done what's needed, he's done what he wanted.

Teams with really good QBs. Chargers, Saints, Chiefs, Raiders, Steelers, Panthers, Falcons.

I'll take zero or one superbowl wins in the last 10 years for $500 Alex.

Teams with multiple superbowl wins. Patriots, Giants. So Tom Coughlin and Bill Bellicek are the only guys more successful than TT based on SB wins and Only the cheater is overall more successful. I won't even get started about TT building the Seahawks team that Holmgren took to the super bowl with an average QB.

[bobblehead]

My opposition to Ted is well known. The only two reasons I gave him a D and not an F is that line about getting rid of Capers, which I think would be stupid, and the fact that Ted did draft Aaron Rodgers.

The argument that we draft so low every year doesn't hold water. There are a few other teams in that situation who do a lot better, and there are players drafted below the first round who turn out to be star quality. Given the mediocrity of the Packers roster other than Aaron Rodgers, I can't see how even those less opposed to Ted could give him better than a C grade, as the supporting cast for Aaron Rodgers is at very best, average, and probably way below average.

There is exactly ONE team in that situation who does better.

[bobblehead]

If you forced TT and MM to start rebuilding right now without ARod, how long before they put a consistent winner on the field? I was grumpy when Arod went down and Hundly was completely inept. I blame them for that and Capers. That team still went 3-4 though and that isn't horseshit. We get 2 more games to judge by.

[hoosier]

I don't give a flying fuck about pro-bowlers. It's a popularity contest anyway. Teams win consistently. Even fair players, with decent coaching can win games. Packers keep winning and draft low all the time. The physical freaks are all gone by the time the Packers draft, yet they keep winning. It really must suck to be so miserable that unless the Packers win the Superbowl, it's all wasted. I actually enjoy the games and the winning. I'd hate to be a fan of at least 25 teams. Idiots like Wist keep thinking the Packers are the Bengals, like they never win a game in the playoffs ("One and done" remember). Marv Lewis can't win a single sucking playoff game, but people bitch and moan about the Packers, calling for firing all the time. BORING. In response to all your clever rejoinders, no, I don't want to win a Super Bowl. Yes, I'm satisfied with playoff losses. Yes, I like failure. So stop asking. Just stop the fucking whining. Or go be a Tampa Bay fan or a Bears fan or a Detroit fan or a 49ers fan or a Dallas fan and tell me how great they're gonna be every year and how they do everything better than the Packers.

Finally Rand talks some sense.

[pbmax]

Teams with really good QBs. Chargers, Saints, Chiefs, Raiders, Steelers, Panthers, Falcons.

I'll take zero or one superbowl wins in the last 10 years for $500 Alex.

Teams with multiple superbowl wins. Patriots, Giants. So Tom Coughlin and Bill Bellicek are the only guys more successful than TT based on SB wins and Only the cheater is overall more successful. I won't even get started about TT building the Seahawks team that Holmgren took to the super bowl with an average QB.

Jerry Reese, but I get ya.

[mraynrand]

Finally Rand talks some sense.

[red]

If you forced TT and MM to start rebuilding right now without ARod, how long before they put a consistent winner on the field? I was grumpy when Arod went down and Hundly was completely inept. I blame them for that and Capers. That team still went 3-4 though and that isn't horseshit. We get 2 more games to judge by.

Those 3 wins came against 3 of me he 5 worst teams in the nfl this year. We got very lucky with the schedule

For a full season without a-rod this is realistically a 4-12 or 5-11 team

[texaspackerbacker]

There is exactly ONE team in that situation who does better.

I assume the one team you mean is the Patriots, but I'd say the Seahawks, Panthers, Broncos, and Steelers haven't been far from the top or drafted very high for quite a while also, and all of them have built better a lot better teams than the Packers minus Aaron Rodgers. And you can add to that probably half a dozen more teams that either only had one down year (the Cowboys) or stayed middle of the pack and seldom drafted very high (the Vikings and Falcons).

Somebody said Bakhtiari is a superstar? Come on!

I reject the idea that Hundley was the reason for the team dropping off without Rodgers. Hundley was fairly decent; It just was the O Line, the receivers, and most of the D that were exposed as so mediocre.