More Banjo: Week 12 @ Minnesota

[mraynrand]

once we finally got the ball back, down 2 scores are chances of winning were almost nil

this is all arguing around the edges anyway. The offense basically got shut out in the second half. Why is that?

[pbmax]

Rodgers in press conference that the Davante Adams non backside cutoff block on Harrison was actually ESB's spot until his injury. Adams had not practiced that block.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

But odds of a 3 and out, while paltry, look positively radiant compared with the odds of recovering an expected onside kick.

Zimmer wasn’t gonna put his kicker back on the field again, at least not in this game. Had the D gotten a “3 and out”, Queens woulda punted or “gone for the kill.”

Going for the onside was the best decision Dumb Mike made all night.

[pbmax]

Of course, but the odds of getting the ball back are higher with an onside kick attempt AND a chance at a three and out.

How much time was left? 2 minutes and ?? seconds?

[pbmax]

A speedy receiver like Davis or Scantron running L-R or R-L might be open or cause some issues for Viking coverages. But I don't think anything like that was tried. But those 40 yard lobs on 3rd and 7 looked great, didn't they?

They have doen this, with Scantron and Graham. but its never looked great. Its not a big part of the offense, I don't think they practice them a ton.

[red]

lol

we have the same record as the browns WITH a-rod

some of us late last year were saying that we were the browns without a-rod. that might have been generous

[mraynrand]

Rodgers in press conference that the Davante Adams non backside cutoff block on Harrison was actually ESB's spot until his injury. Adams had not practiced that block.

Then run something else. Like a QB sneak. Brady converts 'em all the time.

[mraynrand]

lol

we have the same record as the browns WITH a-rod

some of us late last year were saying that we were the browns without a-rod. that might have been generous

Browns are loaded with talent. Think of when Hairball walked into SF. They have two #1 overall picks - one on offense and one on defense.

[pbmax]

Zimmer wasn’t gonna put his kicker back on the field again, at least not in this game. Had the D gotten a “3 and out”, Queens woulda punted or “gone for the kill.”

Going for the onside was the best decision Dumb Mike made all night.

If the Vikings get to FG range, the game is over as that would require a first down at least.

The question basically is does field position matter here? Could they have surrendered a first down and then stopped them?

I don't think so, think Rand is right.

[pbmax]

Then run something else. Like a QB sneak. Brady converts 'em all the time.

Its weird that injuries caused him not to call for a 2 pt conversion in Arizona, but he didn't change the call here. Probably because its a run and not a pass.

Which might be a comment on his level of involvement in the run game prep.

[call_me_ishmael]

Yep. Its not all him, but he isn't helping at all. He has needed to adjust his offense since 2015 and hasn't done it.

A new offense wil help reset Rodgers.

But if you blame Rodgers first, then the following are also sufficient reasons

1. Way too eager to keep mediocre coaches around
2. Terrible game and clock management
3. Terrible at adjusting on defense to allow young players to succeed
4. God awful special teams despite A LOT of attention to the talent
5. Refusal to update his offense
6. Game plan past the first 15 plays is a catastrophe
7. I think the red zone and 3rd down D are symptomatic of the rest of the offensive disfunction

That said, all these should be fixable. He is a good leader of men. He keeps the team focused. His winning, despite his shortcomings, is impressive.

But the team cannot go forward from here with him at a standstill.

But be forewarned, the odds of getting a better coach on the first try are about 30%.

I might prefer insisting he update the O, hire a game manager to tell him when to go on 4th down, when to challenge, when to call TO and hire a ST coach who will tell the HC when they will practice ST and how they will practice special teams. However, the odds are 0 the he accepts any of that.

I agree with much of this but I think you're (and many others here too) being overly hard on him. He is a good coach. I am in favor of him moving on as well. I'm less concerned personally about a better coach and more so a decent coach that's different. It's just time to try something new.

[Pugger]

Yep. Its not all him, but he isn't helping at all. He has needed to adjust his offense since 2015 and hasn't done it.

A new offense wil help reset Rodgers.

But if you blame Rodgers first, then the following are also sufficient reasons

1. Way too eager to keep mediocre coaches around
2. Terrible game and clock management
3. Terrible at adjusting on defense to allow young players to succeed
4. God awful special teams despite A LOT of attention to the talent
5. Refusal to update his offense
6. Game plan past the first 15 plays is a catastrophe
7. I think the red zone and 3rd down D are symptomatic of the rest of the offensive disfunction

That said, all these should be fixable. He is a good leader of men. He keeps the team focused. His winning, despite his shortcomings, is impressive.

But the team cannot go forward from here with him at a standstill.

But be forewarned, the odds of getting a better coach on the first try are about 30%.

I might prefer insisting he update the O, hire a game manager to tell him when to go on 4th down, when to challenge, when to call TO and hire a ST coach who will tell the HC when they will practice ST and how they will practice special teams. However, the odds are 0 the he accepts any of that.

I don't think it is a coincidence that the offense goes to hell after the first scripted plays. It could be the young WRs still have no clue what they are doing. And if they don't THAT is damning towards this offensive coaching staff also.

We might not get a better coach on the first try but if we stay the course our odds of improving are less that 30% IMO so what do we really have to lose??

[Pugger]

Browns are loaded with talent. Think of when Hairball walked into SF. They have two #1 overall picks - one on offense and one on defense.

They ought to after sucking for years.

[bobblehead]

But be forewarned, the odds of getting a better coach on the first try are about 30%.
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Yep...Eagles went from Reid to Chip Kelly before fixing it.

[bobblehead]

lol

we have the same record as the browns WITH a-rod

some of us late last year were saying that we were the browns without a-rod. that might have been generous

Last year the browns didn't have Ward, Mayfield or Landry. I'd say they improved...or Randall. They did have kizer though.