More Banjo: Week 12 @ Minnesota

[Anti-Polar Bear]

If the Vikings get to FG range, the game is over as that would require a first down at least.

The question basically is does field position matter here? Could they have surrendered a first down and then stopped them?

I don't think so, think Rand is right.

I’m basically agreeing with Rand. Onside gives opponent short field position- possibly fg range. Zimmerman wasn’t gonna bet on his kicker to ice the game. Therefore onside + d is better than kickoff + d.

[Fritz]

I’m basically agreeing with Rand. Onside gives opponent short field position- possibly fg range. Zimmerman wasn’t gonna bet on his kicker to ice the game. Therefore onside + d is better than kickoff + d.

This is all irrelevant. In the big picture, this is a team with a game defense that lacks a big play pass rusher and has an underperforming offense, saddled with a mistake-prone special teams.

When NO went 7-9 two years in a row, I wonder how Brees played. Cuz I am most worried about Rodgers. He's missing lots of throws and making some poor decisions - and now he's starting to remind me of late-era Peyton Manning or Brett Favre, pointing fingers, albeit subtly, or becoming defensive, instead of leading the team.

How can this offense look so good for stretches in first halves, and then look like 70's Packers the rest of the game?

[mraynrand]

Stubby should script the first 65 plays

[pbmax]

I don't think it is a coincidence that the offense goes to hell after the first scripted plays. It could be the young WRs still have no clue what they are doing. And if they don't THAT is damning towards this offensive coaching staff also.

We might not get a better coach on the first try but if we stay the course our odds of improving are less that 30% IMO so what do we really have to lose??

I think since 2015 Rodgers has been rescuing that part of the offense, covering for shortcomings in both personnel and plan. And he falls into that trap too often.

[pbmax]

Stubby should script the first 65 plays

That is the part that kills me.

He's thinking: we use these great plays, jump out to a lead, then let the mediocre defense salvage the game while we fool around on offense for a half.

[pbmax]

I agree with much of this but I think you're (and many others here too) being overly hard on him. He is a good coach. I am in favor of him moving on as well. I'm less concerned personally about a better coach and more so a decent coach that's different. It's just time to try something new.

I think he is a good coach. But that is damning with faint praise a bit.

Given overwhelming talent on O, he can set team records, send players to the Pro Bowl and be a Top 5 offense. But without that talent, what has his offense been? Its been just above average before the last two years and one of those years featured Rodgers.

[pbmax]

This is all irrelevant. In the big picture, this is a team with a game defense that lacks a big play pass rusher and has an underperforming offense, saddled with a mistake-prone special teams.

When NO went 7-9 two years in a row, I wonder how Brees played. Cuz I am most worried about Rodgers. He's missing lots of throws and making some poor decisions - and now he's starting to remind me of late-era Peyton Manning or Brett Favre, pointing fingers, albeit subtly, or becoming defensive, instead of leading the team.

How can this offense look so good for stretches in first halves, and then look like 70's Packers the rest of the game?

Brees threw a lot of picks.

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But be forewarned, the odds of getting a better coach on the first try are about 30%.

based on what?

it should be about 100% that you could get a better coach if your current coach is hue jackson or marty morninweg

and it should be close to zero if you're replacing hoody

i say fat ass is closer to jackson then coach B, so it should be that hard to find a coach the players respect AND can run a modern offense, AND can think on his feet and adjust

i would say that our chances of finding a better HC is higher then 75%

[mraynrand]

Brees threw a lot of picks.

I do't even think their offense changed all that much - Brees just kept throwing the same passes to guys who were blanketed. You do need some talent at receiver to win individual battles and get open, either with speed and/or moves/route running.

[pbmax]

based on what?

it should be about 100% that you could get a better coach if your current coach is hue jackson or marty morninweg

and it should be close to zero if you're replacing hoody

i say fat ass is closer to jackson then coach B, so it should be that hard to find a coach the players respect AND can run a modern offense, AND can think on his feet and adjust

i would say that our chances of finding a better HC is higher then 75%

Just take a look at the records of these guys. Jackson or Morninweg can't touch him.

[Rutnstrut]

I think he is a good coach. But that is damning with faint praise a bit.

Given overwhelming talent on O, he can set team records, send players to the Pro Bowl and be a Top 5 offense. But without that talent, what has his offense been? Its been just above average before the last two years and one of those years featured Rodgers.

I basically said the same about stubby years ago. I said when everything goes his way, he is a good coach. But when met with a little adversity, he shows his true colors. Practically every member on this forum told me how wrong I was. It's been the right call about him all along.

[MadScientist]

I basically said the same about stubby years ago. I said when everything goes his way, he is a good coach. But when met with a little adversity, he shows his true colors. Practically every member on this forum told me how wrong I was. It's been the right call about him all along.

He's responded well to adversity in previous seasons, but this year he looks like a dead man walking. Time to move on.

[pbmax]

I basically said the same about stubby years ago. I said when everything goes his way, he is a good coach. But when met with a little adversity, he shows his true colors. Practically every member on this forum told me how wrong I was. It's been the right call about him all along.

He's better than that. Its not just when everything is going his way. He's beat back a lot of adversary. More than most.

But his offense doesn't make average talent much better. And his base offense isn't working with his QB and they have not harmonized the two since 2014.

[Rutnstrut]

He's better than that. Its not just when everything is going his way. He's beat back a lot of adversary. More than most.

But his offense doesn't make average talent much better. And his base offense isn't working with his QB and they have not harmonized the two since 2014.

I disagree. Without Rodgers playing god like football, stubby is a mediocre at best coach.

[mraynrand]

I disagree. Without Rodgers playing god like football, stubby is a mediocre at best coach.

like when he revived Favre's career in 2007?