What's the roster makeover going to look like, who stays/goes??

[Bretsky]

Did a little looking at the FA LB/Edge guys...

CJ Mosley, Lawrence (Dallas), Clowney, Anthony Barr top the list. Didn't look to be much OL talent out there, then again I've been too busy to keep up. I agree we need to move on from Crosby too.

We should be picking somewhere around 10, and NO pick will be around 30.

Unlikely the Ravens are letting CJ Mosley go; letting talent like that slide away when it's starting in your face would be like......Not Drafting TJ Watt )))))

Pass rushers will be hard to come by.

I think they could and really should focus on using FA to find at least one starter on the OL

I'd also be game to go with numbers at LB; we need to get some speed, athletic ability and talent there

[Bretsky]

Did a little looking at the FA LB/Edge guys...

CJ Mosley, Lawrence (Dallas), Clowney, Anthony Barr top the list. Didn't look to be much OL talent out there, then again I've been too busy to keep up. I agree we need to move on from Crosby too.

We should be picking somewhere around 10, and NO pick will be around 30.

WHY in the H would we move on from Crosby; he's one of the few reliable players we still have. Let's not create another hole in our roster. Plus you should love him; he helped get rid of your buddy MM ...lol

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'd like to see Anthony Barr here. He's been miscast in the Vikings scheme.

[Bretsky]

completely agree on Barr; he'd be a great fit in GB

[wist43]

WHY in the H would we move on from Crosby; he's one of the few reliable players we still have. Let's not create another hole in our roster. Plus you should love him; he helped get rid of your buddy MM ...lol

That's some pretty convoluted logic there B... and for the record, I was one of the last to jump onboard the fire MM bandwagon. Disappointed that it had to come to that, but the writing was on the wall. It was time.

I'm more hopeful now that he's gone... as you know, I'm always hopeful and optimistic - now I'm even more hopeful

[Bretsky]

lol; and normally you are first to start the campaign to get rid of the coach )))) Although way late to the GM outings.
I often think nobody pays any attention to anything I post; but then when I get called out all the time for being wrong I find out a few actually do.
BTW, how about TJ Watt ?

[wist43]

lol; and normally you are first to start the campaign to get rid of the coach )))) Although way late to the GM outings.
I often think nobody pays any attention to anything I post; but then when I get called out all the time for being wrong I find out a few actually do.
BTW, how about TJ Watt ?

I can afford to miss on a guy like Watt, b/c I hit on so many other front seven guys... my "draft this guy" list looks pretty good compared to TTs.

Besides, jury is still out on King... if he can ever stay healthy, we'll have something.

[pbmax]

WHY in the H would we move on from Crosby; he's one of the few reliable players we still have. Let's not create another hole in our roster. Plus you should love him; he helped get rid of your buddy MM ...lol

Because he is a bottom half of the League kicker? Cutoff here is 2018 season and more than 10 XPAttempts, to weed out the part-timers. You will need to scroll down into the 20s to find Mason's FG% this year.

                                                                                      
                                   Game Game Scor Scor Scor  Scor Scor Scor  Scor Scor
Rk                 Player Year  Tm    G   GS   TD  XPM  XPA   XP%  FGM  FGA   FG%  Pts
1             Matt Bryant 2018 ATL    9    0    0   20   21  95.2   15   15 100.0   65
2           Aldrick Rosas 2018 NYG   12    0    0   21   21 100.0   26   27  96.3   99
3            Robbie Gould 2018 SFO   12    0    0   20   22  90.9   23   24  95.8   89
4                Wil Lutz 2018 NOR   12    0    0   44   45  97.8   23   24  95.8  113
5         Harrison Butker 2018 KAN   12    0    0   51   55  92.7   19   20  95.0  108
6           Jason Sanders 2018 MIA   12    0    0   26   27  96.3   16   17  94.1   74
7             Jason Myers 2018 NYJ   12    0    0   21   22  95.5   28   30  93.3  105
8           Justin Tucker 2018 BAL   12    0    0   28   29  96.6   25   27  92.6  103
9            Mike Badgley 2018 LAC    6    0    0   18   19  94.7   10   11  90.9   48
10             Josh Lambo 2018 JAX   12    0    0   18   19  94.7   19   21  90.5   75
11          Greg Zuerlein 2018 LAR    7    0    0   23   24  95.8   19   21  90.5   80
12        Steven Hauschka 2018 BUF   12    0    0   15   16  93.8   17   19  89.5   66
13           Cairo Santos 2018 2TM    5    0    0   16   17  94.1    8    9  88.9   40
14            Matt Prater 2018 DET   12    0    0   23   23 100.0   23   26  88.5   92
15            Graham Gano 2018 CAR   12    0    0   30   33  90.9   14   16  87.5   72
16            Ryan Succop 2018 TEN   12    0    0   20   21  95.2   21   24  87.5   83
17         Dustin Hopkins 2018 WAS   12    0    0   23   24  95.8   20   23  87.0   83
18            Brett Maher 2018 DAL   12    0    0   23   24  95.8   24   28  85.7   95
19        Kaimi Fairbairn 2018 HOU   12    0    0   29   30  96.7   29   34  85.3  116
20     Stephen Gostkowski 2018 NWE   12    0    0   37   37 100.0   22   26  84.6  103
21            Greg Joseph 2018 CLE   10    0    0   16   18  88.9   11   13  84.6   49
22           Jake Elliott 2018 PHI   12    0    0   23   23 100.0   19   23  82.6   80
23         Adam Vinatieri 2018 IND   12    0    0   32   34  94.1   17   21  81.0   83
24   Sebastian Janikowski 2018 SEA   12    0    0   37   39  94.9   16   20  80.0   85
25        Brandon McManus 2018 DEN   12    0    0   30   30 100.0   16   20  80.0   78
26            Cody Parkey 2018 CHI   12    0    0   35   37  94.6   19   24  79.2   92
27           Mason Crosby 2018 GNB   12    0    0   27   29  93.1   22   29  75.9   93
28     Chandler Catanzaro 2018 TAM    9    0    0   23   27  85.2   11   15  73.3   56
29             Dan Bailey 2018 MIN   10    0    0   20   21  95.2   16   22  72.7   68
30          Chris Boswell 2018 PIT   12    0    0   36   41  87.8   10   14  71.4   66
31          Randy Bullock 2018 CIN   12    0    0   34   36  94.4   10   14  71.4   64
32         Daniel Carlson 2018 2TM    8    0    0   17   17 100.0   10   14  71.4   47
33          Caleb Sturgis 2018 LAC    6    0    0    9   15  60.0    9   13  69.2   36
34            Phil Dawson 2018 ARI   10    0    0   15   15 100.0    5    8  62.5   30
35             Sam Ficken 2018 LAR    2    0    0   10   10 100.0    1    3  33.3   13

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Generated 12/4/2018.

[mraynrand]

Crosby isn't much off his career average of 80%, and he's on pace to attempt as many over 50 and over 40 FGs as any year in his career except maybe one. Also, that one horrible games does skew things. Still, I get that he's had notably clutch misses.

[pbmax]

Crosby isn't much off his career average of 80%, and he's on pace to attempt as many over 50 and over 40 FGs as any year in his career except maybe one. Also, that one horrible games does skew things. Still, I get that he's had notably clutch misses.

I'll run the numbers, but even at 80%, I don't think that gets him in the top half of the League anymore. Its true that McCarthy loved nothing more than long field goals at the end of the half and games.

[pbmax]

OK, here is a four year window. Had to attempt at least 40 extra points, to be sure we are looking at full time guys. 36 qualify, Crosby is 30th in percentage converted.

                                                                                         
                                        Game Game Scor Scor Scor Scor Scor Scor Scor Scor
Rk                 Player From   To  Tm    G   GS   TD  XPM  XPA  XP%  FGM  FGA  FG%  Pts
1              Josh Brown 2015 2016 NYG   21    0    0   53   54 98.1   41   44 93.2  176
2            Robbie Gould 2015 2018 TOT   54    0    0   96  104 92.3  105  114 92.1  411
3         Harrison Butker 2017 2018 KAN   25    0    0   79   83 95.2   57   62 91.9  250
4           Justin Tucker 2015 2018 RAV   60    0    0  123  124 99.2  130  143 90.9  513
5         Steven Hauschka 2015 2018 TOT   60    0    0  113  124 91.1  108  120 90.0  437
6             Matt Bryant 2015 2018 ATL   52    0    0  137  139 98.6   97  109 89.0  428
7      Stephen Gostkowski 2015 2018 NWE   60    0    0  180  185 97.3  119  134 88.8  537
8             Matt Prater 2015 2018 DET   60    0    0  130  136 95.6  106  121 87.6  448
9           Chris Boswell 2015 2018 PIT   55    0    0  135  143 94.4   95  109 87.2  420
10               Wil Lutz 2016 2018 NOR   44    0    0  140  145 96.6   82   94 87.2  386
11            Ryan Succop 2015 2018 OTI   60    0    0  119  126 94.4   92  106 86.8  395
12         Adam Vinatieri 2015 2018 CLT   59    0    0  130  137 94.9   98  113 86.7  424
13            Graham Gano 2015 2018 CAR   60    0    0  151  163 92.6  103  120 85.8  460
14             Josh Lambo 2015 2018 TOT   54    0    0  110  121 90.9   90  105 85.7  380
15          Greg Zuerlein 2015 2018 RAM   51    0    0  116  121 95.9   96  113 85.0  404
16           Cairo Santos 2015 2018 TOT   42    0    0  105  111 94.6   73   86 84.9  324
17          Aldrick Rosas 2017 2018 NYG   28    0    0   41   44 93.2   44   52 84.6  173
18         Dustin Hopkins 2015 2018 WAS   51    0    0  116  122 95.1   93  110 84.5  395
19            Jason Myers 2015 2018 TOT   50    0    0   97  110 88.2   92  109 84.4  373
20            Kai Forbath 2015 2017 TOT   34    0    0   79   88 89.8   57   68 83.8  250
21          Randy Bullock 2015 2018 TOT   43    0    0   96  104 92.3   55   66 83.3  261
22           Jake Elliott 2017 2018 PHI   27    0    0   62   65 95.4   45   54 83.3  197
23        Kaimi Fairbairn 2017 2018 HTX   28    0    0   61   65 93.8   49   59 83.1  208
24             Dan Bailey 2015 2018 TOT   54    0    0  117  120 97.5   88  106 83.0  381
25            Mike Nugent 2015 2018 TOT   40    0    0   90  100 90.0   63   76 82.9  279
26            Cody Parkey 2015 2018 TOT   45    0    0   88   94 93.6   63   76 82.9  277
27             Nick Novak 2015 2017 TOT   36    0    0   68   74 91.9   62   75 82.7  254
28            Phil Dawson 2015 2018 TOT   58    0    0   91   96 94.8   79   96 82.3  328
29          Caleb Sturgis 2015 2018 TOT   36    0    0   75   85 88.2   65   79 82.3  270
30           Mason Crosby 2015 2018 GNB   60    0    0  140  147 95.2   87  106 82.1  401
31        Brandon McManus 2015 2018 DEN   60    0    0  124  126 98.4   99  121 81.8  421
32     Chandler Catanzaro 2015 2018 TOT   57    0    0  148  161 91.9   85  104 81.7  403
33   Sebastian Janikowski 2015 2018 TOT   44    0    0  112  117 95.7   66   81 81.5  310
34          Dan Carpenter 2015 2016 BUF   32    0    0   74   85 87.1   42   52 80.8  200
35      Giorgio Tavecchio 2017 2018 TOT   19    0    0   41   42 97.6   21   26 80.8  104
36            Blair Walsh 2015 2017 TOT   41    0    0   85   94 90.4   67   84 79.8  286
37              Nick Folk 2015 2017 TOT   28    0    0   50   54 92.6   46   58 79.3  188
38          Andrew Franks 2015 2016 MIA   32    0    0   74   78 94.9   29   37 78.4  161
39           Connor Barth 2015 2017 TOT   38    0    0   73   75 97.3   52   67 77.6  229

Provided by Pro-Football-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 12/4/2018.

[pbmax]

Gonna need new database search tools to pull out the long attempts.

[mraynrand]

Gonna need new database search tools to pull out the long attempts.

I just did a quick guesstimation by inspecting his career page

[call_me_ishmael]

I like Mason Crosby and would be fine either way but I also don't see a super important reason to keep him knowing he's going to be on year 13 before when you compete. It seems like kickers consistently get better and better so why not consider finding taking a shot at a cheaper option? Winning close games isn't the goal next year. That said, I don't really care either way.

[Fritz]

I wonder what the cap hit would be if they cut Perry. Guy can play the run well, but for the money they're paying him, he needs to get to the QB more than five or six times a season. Oh, and stay on the field. I think he's just never going to be able to be healthy, but I think you don't have much else, so maybe you keep him to see if maybe, just maybe, you can squeeze one semi-healthy year out of him while you re-tool?

I think Matthews is worth re-signing, as long as it's not ridiculous. I do think, if you draft a couple of young guys outside to makeover the position, that he would do well inside. He can blitz inside, and if he gets on board with it, he could thrive. Maybe with Martinez being solid back there Matthews's freelancing would be less dangerous.

I see no value in Graham at all - he can't seem to make the tough catches, and all his catches are getting tough because he can't get open any more. He's a shell, a ghost.

I wouldn't just cut Spriggs - they've invested so much in him, timewise, unless he's obviously a bomb to the coaching staff, I'd give him one more shot, so he doesn't go off to some other organization and start for them solidly for the next five years. But they do need to draft some offensive linemen.

And, of course, they need someone who can play deep safety. Looks like Josh Jones won't be that guy. He doesn't look, either, like one of those "interchangeable" safeties that I read Pettine likes. He's a LOS kind of guy.

The beauty of having such a talent shortage is that you're more likely to choose the BPA when you draft, because you have so many needs your board's most talented player is more likely to intersect with one of those needs. When you have a more evenly talented roster, it's hard to go strictly BPA - it'd be hard to draft another all-pro at a position where you've already got a couple when you think you might be one outside linebacker or cornerback away from a Super Bowl. I think Ted succumbed to this - early on in his tenure, it was easier to go BPA (except for the Rodgers pick), and Ted had some wonderful drafts. But as the talent level went up, he started shooting for that one player to get them over the hump - that one defensive lineman or outside linebacker (Jerel Worthy, Datone Jones) or corner (Randall), that one missing piece. Thompson didn't bomb everything, as so many here seem to think - thanksted for Kenny Clark, maybe Kevin King, Blake Martinez (Wist is wrong on this guy, sorry), and Aaron Jones. But I do think he started trying to make his draft boards match his needs more and more as time went on.

It's a tough business. The outrage in 2005 when Thompsons drafted a QB whose stock had dropped like a rock when they already had a HOF quarterback and were only a player or two away from a SB was intense and powerful. If only he'd been able to keep drafting that way.