First Round Pick 2019, Rashan Gary

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wist is making a killing on his Daily Fantasy/psychic 800 hotline though.

"Select Adam Wainwright and all the Yankee hitters you can afford. And this week is not a good week for PowerBall."

[mraynrand]

wist is making a killing on his Daily Fantasy/psychic 800 hotline though.

"Select Adam Wainwright and all the Yankee hitters you can afford. And this week is not a good week for PowerBall."

[RashanGary]

I just watched a full Gary game vs Ohio State. It’s weird watching him because he plays like a defensive tackle but look like a defensive end and runs like a linebacker. He was so wound up, it was almost confusing.

The good:
Anchors down like a lineman. Hard to move
Explodes off blocks to track the call carrier
Stayed in his gaps and didn’t give up contain
Moves down the line strangly fast. Im not used to seeing a lineman move like that
Violent and aggressive with his hands

The bad:
Only won one pass rush with pure speed
Even though he has such a violent first punch, didn’t have a go to swim or rip after



I’ve never watched a player quite like Gary. It will be interesting to see if Pettine and company can teach him to swim or rip. He’s a plus run defender on day 1. A rare run defender on day 1. He needs to develop a couple go to pass rush moves though.

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[bobblehead]

Yeah, I watched some of Gary's work. Good luck finding any highlights of him in big games.

Green Bay needs playmakers, not guys who eat blockers for other guys (they have undrafted guys who can do that), or guys who almost get there, or guys who can jump really high and lift a lot of weight but can't sack the quarterback.

At that moment in the draft, only one offensive lineman had been selected. Gutekunst had his choice of top, top tackles to protect his franchise QB. He had Burns sitting there. That Clemson d-lineman, can't remember his name. And Sweat, who was downgraded because his production wasn't so great, yet produced more than Gary. Gutekunst maybe could've traded down, still gotten a premier player.

But no. He picks a guy who has freakish combine numbers, which, if you won games for having great combine numbers, would be great. But you win with players who make plays. Gary doesn't make plays. Period. I like Chase Winovich better than Gary - you could pick him up later in the draft and have a better football player.

And now we find out that the Packers are going to try to turn him into an OLB. The first articles on JSO were listing Gary as a DE; suddenly, this morning, he's listed as OLB. Great. Wonderful. Another project - and you spent the twelfth overall pick on that?

In one sense, you know who he reminds me of? BJ Raji. And the similarity is that both are smart dudes who are thinking in terms of career. Gary, like Raji, is not a guy who loves, loves, loves football. Gary is not Chase Winovich. Or Devin Bush. He doesn't eat, sleep, dream football. He sees it as a business, as a way to make a lot of money. I would not be surprised, at all, if he pulls a Raji and retires at a young age. Especially once it becomes clear he's not going to develop into JJ Watt, but instead will be the next Mike Neal or Dante Jones.

Of course I'd love to be wrong. Because I want the Packers to win. I'd love for Gary to be great. But I think he will not be, not even close.

I think Gutekunst has taken two very big gambles in this first round. If Savage does not turn out to be head-and-shoulders above Thornhill, Adderly, and Gardner-Thompson, then it's a botched pick along the lines of Jason Spriggs.

Gute better be right on these, or if not, he'd better find a David Bahktieri or Mike Daniels in the fourth round to make up for it. Oh, wait. He doesn't have any fourth round picks. He traded not one, but two, away.

Huge, huge gambles. Do I hope they pay off? Of course. Do I think they will? Gary, no way. Savage, I don't know enough to even say, though I don't like Gute seeming to panic and moving up like he did. Savage was an expensive acquisition.

This kind of sums it up. Gimme football players like Winovich and put them in the gym. Get them bigger stronger and faster and the love of the game prevails. Gimme a freak who doesn't care and you get Ben Simmons.

I also hope that Gary is a hit at OLB and Savage is the next Nick Collins, but when you pick 12 and then give up 2 4ths as I have said over and over...you better be right. TT gambled in the first round 2x. Once he got Rodgers when QB was not on the list of things to draft. The other time he moved up and got Clay Mathews. He made some mistakes with guys who got injury shortened in sherrod and Harrell, but you really can't ever see that coming.

[Fritz]

Gute was saying they would even move him inside. I think they believe he has the athleticism to rush from anywhere, but that he will be getting upfield/rushing the passer. It's hard for me to see him as anything close to a Neal type no matter where they line him up.

You don't think he'll even be as good as Mike Neal, huh?

[Gotarace]

Gary looks like he has a great first hand punch but doesn't use that punch to clear off of the offensive lineman...like he attacks and stops. As fast as he is you would think the separation caused by that punch would clear him off the lineman much better.

[Fritz]

I just watched a full Gary game vs Ohio State. It’s weird watching him because he plays like a defensive tackle but look like a defensive end and runs like a linebacker. He was so wound up, it was almost confusing.

The good:
Anchors down like a lineman. Hard to move
Explodes off blocks to track the call carrier
Stayed in his gaps and didn’t give up contain
Moves down the line strangly fast. Im not used to seeing a lineman move like that
Violent and aggressive with his hands

The bad:
Only won one pass rush with pure speed
Even though he has such a violent first punch, didn’t have a go to swim or rip after



I’ve never watched a player quite like Gary. It will be interesting to see if Pettine and company can teach him to swim or rip. He’s a plus run defender on day 1. A rare run defender on day 1. He needs to develop a couple go to pass rush moves though.

How do you say he was even playing the run well? We must be watching different video. He was either blocked out of the play or overrunning it. Dude looked like a JAG in the film I watched.

[HarveyWallbangers]

This kind of sums it up. Gimme football players like Winovich and put them in the gym. Get them bigger stronger and faster and the love of the game prevails. Gimme a freak who doesn't care and you get Ben Simmons.

I also hope that Gary is a hit at OLB and Savage is the next Nick Collins, but when you pick 12 and then give up 2 4ths as I have said over and over...you better be right. TT gambled in the first round 2x. Once he got Rodgers when QB was not on the list of things to draft. The other time he moved up and got Clay Mathews. He made some mistakes with guys who got injury shortened in sherrod and Harrell, but you really can't ever see that coming.

Why do people think he doesn't care? I've read lots of reports about how hard he works.

[hoosier]

I think this was the heart. That the combine eval said his heart was 'thinner' however the hell they came up with that. If they did a bunch of scans, then their report should also point out that his cancer risk has gone up.

Heart wall measurements are done by echo, not CT.

[3irty1]

Why do people think he doesn't care? I've read lots of reports about how hard he works.

Working hard and loving football to the point obsession are not precisely the same thing. You can take one look at a guy like Gary and tell he works hard. I too would like to know exactly how good he wants to be because he can be as good as he wants.