2019 Green Bay Packers @ Chicago Bears Week 1 Discussion Thread

[call_me_ishmael]

King, for what it's worth, is a really good player when healthy

I want to believe but I'm not totally convinced we've seen enough of him to have an opinion on this either way.

[call_me_ishmael]

Mah knee.

[RashanGary]

The Bears and Patriots shut out the Rams. Let’s hope AR and Lafleur can come up with answers the Rams didn’t have for quarters coverages.

[mraynrand]

Yeah, but this year its the Bears who won't know the Packers offense in the first half.

No, that's just what they'll be expecting....

[bobblehead]

I want to believe but I'm not totally convinced we've seen enough of him to have an opinion on this either way.

I've seen plenty. If he can stay on the field, he is right there with Jaire. Good combo as one covers shifty slots and the other covers big beasts.

[RashanGary]

This is a very intriguing matchup. Fangios Bears found a way to rattle McVays rhythm offense and absolutely smother them. Patricia’s Lions followed suit. Belichicks Patriots finished the burial using the same concepts.

Now.... the Packers personnel is different, starting at QB where AR is far better at adjustments presnap. Lafleurs offense is different, starting with preferring more TEs and FBs. But the Packers rhythm and marriage between run and pass plays is the same as the Rams.

Will Chicago come up with a plan that knocks Lafleur out of his rhythm the way they did to McVay? Does Aaron Rodgers experience and the whole offenses experience with presnap adjustments give the Packers an edge the Rams never had?

Who knows what’s going to happen, but it’s interesting, no doubt.

[RashanGary]

The biggest difference between the Packers and Rams is, I think the Packers want to play more 21 and 12 personnel under Lafleur. Starting in Chicago and continuing with the Lions and Patriots, all three teams were able to coax the Rams out of run plays and into passes by showing edge setting pre snap looks. Knowing the Rams would pass into such looks, they pinned their ears back and attacked the pass. Play actions take time to develop. Pass rushers coming hot like that, it defeats the whole purpose of play action, which is to slow the rush.

At the end of the day, it’s two different teams. But let’s hope the Packers offense is advanced enough to not have their plays dictated to them by disguised looks and totally shut down like the Rams have been.

[mraynrand]

The biggest difference between the Packers and Rams is, I think the Packers want to play more 21 and 12 personnel under Lafleur. Starting in Chicago and continuing with the Lions and Patriots, all three teams were able to coax the Rams out of run plays and into passes by showing edge setting pre snap looks. Knowing the Rams would pass into such looks, they pinned their ears back and attacked the pass. Play actions take time to develop. Pass rushers coming hot like that, it defeats the whole purpose of play action, which is to slow the rush.

At the end of the day, it’s two different teams. But let’s hope the Packers offense is advanced enough to not have their plays dictated to them by disguised looks and totally shut down like the Rams have been.

So maybe the Bears will just figure "Who cares about the run, we know these guys are a pass crazy team. Play safe on the back end with quarters and just let the guys up front go get Rodgers. We'll take some runs against us in exchange for pressure and sacks."

[pbmax]

I think the Packers want to play more 21 and 12 personnel under Lafleur.

I too think M4 will look more like Shanny Jr. than McVay. But its going to take a while to shake out because unless he hurt his head when he tore his achilles, M4 is going to split Graham away from the O line. Even if they are bunched tight. What they want is the D to react to a FB or TE on the field with Graham with base personnel to get Graham on a LB.

If the D stays with a safety or nickel CB on Graham, then you split the RB wide and get a LB on someone. Then you throw to that someone.

However, I don't think Graham will actually be playing like a TE and smart teams will treat him like a WR. So a Packers 12 or 21 personnel is really an 11 personnel package from the defenses standpoint.

by showing edge setting pre snap looks

What does this mean?

[RashanGary]

So maybe the Bears will just figure "Who cares about the run, we know these guys are a pass crazy team. Play safe on the back end with quarters and just let the guys up front go get Rodgers. We'll take some runs against us in exchange for pressure and sacks."

Some version of that. Which is my main frustration with the constant audible offenses. Defenses get paid too. You end up audibling right into traps. Which is why i do like pace/execution/motion style offenses vs audible/adjustment style offenses.

The Rams were an audible/adjustment version of the shanny offense. Kind of concerning because that’s how they played themselves right into defensive traps. And that’s the similar style of stamp AR wants to put on the offense. I do worry AR will play himself into traps and this offense, with under center / play action being the primary pass plays, eek, he’s not gonna be able to get away from the rush. He’ll learn real quick or be injured real quick if he doesn’t figure that out fast.

[RashanGary]

If you’re gonna be a QB lead audible/adjustment offense, it seems safer to do it from the gun like Peyton and AR always did. If you’re gonna be a run/pass execution offense under center with play action, you better commit to that damn run or your QB will he dead.

[RashanGary]

McCarthy/Rodgers offense in summary

Audible/Adjustment based offense from gun
Easy for defense to dictate pass plays by showing run defense
Rodgers changes play to pass play
Defense was lying. Actually playing pass defense
Rodgers surprised, holds ball
Rodgers/receivers highly in tune to post snap adjustments
Magic happens or sacks

I don’t like the offense at all because the defense chooses pass plays for us. Then AR is stuck holding the ball like a retard and he gets all the glory when he runs around like a chicken with his head cut off and pulls something out of his ass.

I prefer the Brady/Aikman sort of team oriented/pace oriented/run the ball and get rid of it quick execution style offense.

[RashanGary]

If Rodgers wants to pass the ball every time a defense tricks him into pass plays, he’s not gonna have so much fun cuz now he’s under center doing play action. Uh oh, buddy.

[Fritz]

If you’re gonna be a QB lead audible/adjustment offense, it seems safer to do it from the gun like Peyton and AR always did. If you’re gonna be a run/pass execution offense under center with play action, you better commit to that damn run or your QB will he dead.

I think this is what many of us are holding our collective breath about. When the Bears go up 10 -0 will LeFleur keep calling the run?

After three or four losses of a yard or two on outside zone runs, will Matty TheFlower still call running plays? Will Rodgers execute them? (I expect a lot of trouble trying to execute this zone-blocking scheme, and envision lots of moments in which the running back has the ball but no place to go.)

When Aaron Jones gets hurt, will The Flower call Jamaal Williams's number?

Will they actually run the ball this year?

[pbmax]

If Rodgers wants to pass the ball every time a defense tricks him into pass plays, he’s not gonna have so much fun cuz now he’s under center doing play action. Uh oh, buddy.

You are underestimating how difficult it is to play the pass from box stuffing run looks. This should be obvious as teams don't hesitate to put the current matching personnel out on the field.

We are talking mainly safety play and feigning single or double high safety.