2019 Green Bay Packers @ Chicago Bears Week 1 Discussion Thread

[pbmax]

I think this is what many of us are holding our collective breath about. When the Bears go up 10 -0 will LeFleur keep calling the run?

After three or four losses of a yard or two on outside zone runs, will Matty TheFlower still call running plays? Will Rodgers execute them? (I expect a lot of trouble trying to execute this zone-blocking scheme, and envision lots of moments in which the running back has the ball but no place to go.)

When Aaron Jones gets hurt, will The Flower call Jamaal Williams's number?

Will they actually run the ball this year?

How far do you want to fall behind before you alter the game plan? If M4 doesn't adjust a run heavy play call mix before half time, what makes him better than M3?

I mean, do you remember a lot of great comeback offenses in the 1970s?

[RashanGary]

You are underestimating how difficult it is to play the pass from box stuffing run looks. This should be obvious as teams don't hesitate to put the current matching personnel out on the field.

We are talking mainly safety play and feigning single or double high safety.

The Rams scored 3 points in the Super Bowl and 9 points against the Bears because they allowed themselves to be baited into pass plays and the QB is a sitting duck when trapped under center doing play action. It’s not that hard to disguise defenses. Bail your safety out of the box post snap. It’s not that difficult, really.

[mraynrand]

I mean, do you remember a lot of great comeback offenses in the 1970s?

Gonna be the Rodgers Tex Rogue offense all game long

[RashanGary]

That’s why Rodgers is often left holding the ball like a retard. The defense showed run, trapped him in a pass play then switched up post snap. AR has been mobile enough and durable enough and MM was gentle enough to let him run from the gun and do whatever he wanted. But now, under center, he’s gonna be killed if he tries to outsmart defenses who are actually outsmarting him.

[mraynrand]

You are underestimating how difficult it is to play the pass from box stuffing run looks. This should be obvious as teams don't hesitate to put the current matching personnel out on the field.

We are talking mainly safety play and feigning single or double high safety.

Not if nickel is base, right? And if you really aren't worried about the run.

[mraynrand]

I'm just hoping to not experience severe SMH/facepalm when Rodgers lines up under center to run play action with an empty backfield.

[RashanGary]

I’ll bet you anything, right now when AR goes to bed, he’s missing the sweet, loving Mike McCarthy, who let him do whatever he wanted and built a whole offense around what AR likes to do.

[RashanGary]

I'm just hoping to not experience severe SMH/facepalm when Rodgers lines up under center to run play action with an empty backfield.

[mraynrand]

I’ll bet you anything, right now when AR goes to bed, he’s missing the sweet, loving Mike McCarthy, who let him do whatever he wanted and built a whole offense around what AR likes to do.

I bet Rodgers got second dibs on that masseuse too.

[RashanGary]

Not if nickel is base, right? And if you really aren't worried about the run.

Nickel is base and you bail into 2 deep bracket coverages with aggressive man or zone under. Yeah, there’s a reason AR is often caught off guard with no where to go, almost like a 15 year old caught with his dick in his hand. I know, Aaron, it feels good to jerk off, but try to hide it a little, buddy.

In the gun, with his athleticism and ability to throw on the move from unusual platforms, it was an offense created for Aaron Rodgers. Credit to McCarthy for building around his QB.

Under center, play action..... he’s fucked if he tries to pull that shit. The bright side is we won’t have to watch too much of his agony because he’ll be injured in less than 4 weeks.

[pbmax]

The Rams scored 3 points in the Super Bowl and 9 points against the Bears because they allowed themselves to be baited into pass plays and the QB is a sitting duck when trapped under center doing play action. It’s not that hard to disguise defenses. Bail your safety out of the box post snap. It’s not that difficult, really.

So you think that run-pass option under center offenses are at an inherent disadvantage. OK. Odd that only the Bears and Patriots figured that out.

But I think you are claiming too much certainty over two games with the Rams having an injured Gurley.

Defenses are not never ending fractals of possible defenses. I do agree that offenses who motion and play with no huddle get the edge in identifying or simplifying the defense. In an under center offense, the QB turning his back is a downside if the defense has the right call.

[RashanGary]

Not to humble brag, but AR’s obsession with being such a wizard at the line is an addiction similar to Favre’s love of throwing into tight windows. Neither guy could get out of their own way. AR loves to show how smart he is and Favre loved to show what a gun slinger he was. Both come at the expense of the team. Not to humble brag or anything. Just saying.

[pbmax]

Not if nickel is base, right? And if you really aren't worried about the run.

Defenses are very conservative. They match personnel almost all the time to the offenses personnel. Only in huge leverage or tendency situations do they ignore it.

Sure, nickel could be base, but Justin isn't worried about who is crowding the box to make sure its a pass; he says defenses are fooling the Rams. Well see Thursday of a stacked box in nickel means run to M4.

Fakery like this is not new and not confined to play action teams. Bears used to torture Rodgers/McCarthy with Urlacher all the time.

[pbmax]

Not to humble brag, but AR’s obsession with being such a wizard at the line is an addiction similar to Favre’s love of throwing into tight windows. Neither guy could get out of their own way. AR loves to show how smart he is and Favre loved to show what a gun slinger he was. Both come at the expense of the team. Not to humble brag or anything. Just saying.

This is just trolling, not humble-bragging. Are you OK?

[gbgary]

i'm predicting we get gashed up the middle on runs and qb scrambles/running plays, and we're hurt by the chi's short passing game. our D is on the field too much because the O can't sustain drives. a low-scoring loss...20-10. hope i'm wrong.