Utilization of the Packers WRs when Adams comes back....

[RashanGary]

I didn’t think of it that way, Tex, but based on you being more right than me lately, I’m open to seeing it play out that way. I don’t agree, but I’m not rejecting it outright

[Joemailman]

If you have a chance to draft another Davante Adams in the 2nd round, you don't pass it up because you have Jake Kumerow and Allen Lazard.

[RashanGary]

One thing I’m definitely in opposition to common perception is the value of MVS. That one trick he has is a good trick between the 20s. I’m a fan. Glad we have lizard to take is place in the redzone though.

[RashanGary]

MVS is the equivalent to a pass rush specialist. You don’t want to have him in some spots, but you’re glad you have him in others.

[run pMc]

MVS is the player they hoped Trevor Davis would be. Threatens the defense with speed on deep throws. He's a solid #3 WR IMO. They need someone else to help Adams when he's back. Jimmy Graham ain't it.
Lazard has the look of a #4 WR...hustles, can be used for certain matchups, jump balls, special teams.

No idea what you do with Kumerow. He's basically a #4 WR also.
It's been mentioned by several posters that all these players feel like #3-5WRs, and I think that's true. They've been smart in some of their schemes, spreading the ball around, and especially with using the backs as receiving options. The one game Rodgers really fed Adams the ball they lost.
As it stands right now, I'd be surprised if Gute didn't take a WR in the top 3 rounds next draft.

[hoosier]

I don't think the Janis comparison is apt because Arod has confidence in Lazard that he never had in Janis. The Ruvell Martin comparison is closer because they're both big receivers who are not blessed with great speed. I get the sense though that Lazard is able to get a little better separation off the line than Ruvell did.

Yeah, those two were.really just analogies of guys who looked promising at o e poi t but never really to realize it. Agreed they are each their on animal.

[RashanGary]

#1 Adams

#3 who impacts more like a 2 when there is a lot of field to stretch, MVS (but you don’t want to play him when it’s a short field)
#3 who impacts more like a 2 when there less field and more traffic, Lazard (but his limitations are exaggerated on a long field)


I don’t think we have a true, every snap #2 WR but I think we have a couple complimentary #3 guys who are ideal situational fits and together make up that second guy for us.

Allison is just a 3 with no redeeming situational quality that makes him like a 2

[RashanGary]

So our top 4 receivers combined make a #1, #2 and #3. If they all finish healthy, I don’t see it as a weak spot in the post season. If one of the top 3 is down, I think we lose some situational fire power.

[texaspackerbacker]

If you have a chance to draft another Davante Adams in the 2nd round, you don't pass it up because you have Jake Kumerow and Allen Lazard.

There's no guarantee somebody drafted in the second round would be "another Davante Adams". For that matter, the real Davante Adams wasn't too highly thought of for the first couple of years we had him - I'd venture to say, not as good as Kumerow and Lazard have been so far in their careers.

[call_me_ishmael]

For that matter, the real Davante Adams wasn't too highly thought of for the first couple of years we had him - I'd venture to say, not as good as Kumerow and Lazard have been so far in their careers.

This might be the worst take of the year. Kumerow is a career back-up who hasn't gotten on the field ever consistently in his career. Lazard to this point has had one game and other than that hasn't sniffed playing time. Adams was the third starting receiver and received a great deal of acclaim from Rodgers in his rookie year including him calling him a pro-bowl type talent as a rookie.

[HarveyWallbangers]

We'll draft a WR high next year. MVS is nice as a #3, but he has no ball skills. People don't gain that once they get in the NFL, so he'll likely be that for the rest of his career. It's why I wasn't upset with Rodgers first ball to him. Any deeper and MVS probably lobsters it.

[RashanGary]

MVS has more 40+ Yard catches so far this year than Adams has in any full season of his career.

MVS is an elite deep threat. His ball skills are great deep and bad when he’s in traffic and short

[texaspackerbacker]

As good as Davante Adams is now, he wasn't called the Fresno Fraud for nothing. I and a lot of others in here were really negative about him those early years.

I don't recall yay or nay if Rodgers had great things to say about him. He certainly has about Lazard and Kumerow, though. Those two have 5 and 10 career games respectively, and no more than 1 or 2 where they got significant playing time. When they have played, though, I stand by what I said, they showed as much or more promise as Davante.

And Valdez-Scantling has star written all over him. He's still learning route running, etc., but the speed and size are God-given. That and work ethic - which they say he definitely has - should keep him improving. And who says he can't play in the red zone? "hasn't yet in very limited samples" is very different from "can't".

Allison is the one who sort of resembles Ruvell Martin - which ain't that bad a thing when you're talking about your probably 5th best WR.

[RashanGary]

And Valdez-Scantling has star written all over him. He's still learning route running, etc., but the speed and size are God-given. That and work ethic - which they say he definitely has - should keep him improving. And who says he can't play in the red zone? "hasn't yet in very limited samples" is very different from "can't".

He’s such a dominant deep receiver right now. He does have a chance to evolve other parts of his game. Harvey did mention “ball skills” not being a trait that gets better with time so MVS being limited in some ways.

I agree that MVS has bad ball skills in traffic. I absolutely disagree that he has bad ball skills on deep throws. He adjusts to deep throws and catches them as well as any player in the NFL. So I see people as incorrectly lumping one area into the other.

[pbmax]

Lazard would make an ideal #4. Run a deep route with demonstrated success to occupy safeties or make them pay for single coverage deep. Early James Jones.

If he can learn to catch a slant or in breaking route, he'll be fine. Still need a Jennings to your Driver (Adams) or Driver to your Jennings (Adams) depending on your time frame.

Good note too about Davis. He seems best sitting down in zones, odd skill to develop with his speed.