The Official Packers Giants Game Day Thread

[MadtownPacker]

So did the Chargers. Do the Chargers scare you?

If playing the Packers in Cali then hell yes. As much as I hate them you aren’t giving the Niners credit for the ass whupping they put on GB. I don’t see it being any better if the game is at Lambeau.

[Fritz]

Not unless the offensive line can block a lot better than they did in San Francisco.

[MadtownPacker]

Not unless the offensive line can block a lot better than they did in San Francisco.

I think a different approach on offensive play calling would make a difference. Back to the style from the early first half of the season was what I had expected against SF. Expecting the OL to hold their pass rush was ridiculous.

[pbmax]

Focusing on the offense is fine, but the larger problems are defense and special teams.

[texaspackerbacker]

Not unless the offensive line can block a lot better than they did in San Francisco.

You really nailed it there. Our O Line is always pretty lame, but Aaron Rodgers' mobility negates the lameness. Against the Niners, though, and actually against the Chargers too, the D was in there so quick and on such a broad front that his mobility got negated.

My question is, if we play the Niners again, would they be able to do the same again? I remember a game long long long ago when the Lions on Thanksgiving ruined our day in a very similar way and gave Lombardi's Packers there only loss in a 13-1 season. It seemed hopeless then too, but different days, different locations, the same Lions D wasn't so tough.

[run pMc]

SF also has a very talented front 4. Imagine Nick Bosa and Deforest Buckner lined up next to Kenny Clark.

They can put Sherman on Adams with occasional safety help, a nickel on A.Jones, and let Fred Warner roaming the middle. Nobody else getting open before the rush gets to Rodgers. GB doesn't exactly have a lot of playmakers keeping DC's sleepless at night.

The 49ers D have made a lot of offenses look bad this year, I don't think it was a fluke or something playing at Lambeau would fix. They have weaknesses, but they are a unfavorable matchup for GB.

[MadtownPacker]

You really nailed it there. Our O Line is always pretty lame, but Aaron Rodgers' mobility negates the lameness. Against the Niners, though, and actually against the Chargers too, the D was in there so quick and on such a broad front that his mobility got negated.

My question is, if we play the Niners again, would they be able to do the same again? I remember a game long long long ago when the Lions on Thanksgiving ruined our day in a very similar way and gave Lombardi's Packers there only loss in a 13-1 season. It seemed hopeless then too, but different days, different locations, the same Lions D wasn't so tough.

That first paragraph is you admitting what you have called others negativist for saying the same shit Tex!! Are we getting to you?

Run pMc’s (why the capped M?) post sums it up for me. The fucking niners D is kryptonite for the Pack right now.

[MadtownPacker]

Focusing on the offense is fine, but the larger problems are defense and special teams.

Riddle me this Statman, how much is due to all the short drives by the O? Even when scoring it happens so damn fast. Some ball control would be nice to see.

Looks like it is about half the game time. Doesn’t seem to favor a lesser defense.

https://www.packers.com/team/stats/

[MadtownPacker]

Fuck!! Is this correct or am I looking at it wrong? The shitty defense is one of the better ones for turnover ratio?

https://www.footballdb.com/stats/turnovers.html

Is so that means the offense isn’t capitalizing on these turnovers doesn’t it?


Maybe Tex is right and I am just a negativist.

[Zool]

Fuck!! Is this correct or am I looking at it wrong? The shitty defense is one of the better ones for turnover ratio?

https://www.footballdb.com/stats/turnovers.html

Is so that means the offense isn’t capitalizing on these turnovers doesn’t it?


Maybe Tex is right and I am just a negativist.

They aren't quite as good as their record, but you're being a bit too far to the "they suck" side. They are a flawed team who won 13 games the last 2 years combined. They should probably hit 11 or 12 this year.

When the D doesn't get turnovers, they aren't very good. The get pressure, but give up too many big plays. The O is too streaky to really get a good feel for how they are doing in each game. I'm with PB in thinking the best part of The Flower is his ability to take what the other D is giving them. Love to see the O put together a 4 quarter game this year.

[MadtownPacker]

Look Lil’ Tex I never used the word suck. But they did suck hard vs SF. What I am seeing is the Pack isn’t a SB contender. Is that not the standard anymore? When did Title Town change to Playoff Town? Not expecting a championship ever year but this year was looking possible until recently. Even the giants game wasn’t pretty to start but the second half refilled the koolaid pitcher for many. I would like to be wrong but I’m calling it how I see it. Team is trending down but maybe a severe asskicking of the redskins will help restore my thirst for that sweet Green and Gold refreshment.

[texaspackerbacker]

That first paragraph is you admitting what you have called others negativist for saying the same shit Tex!! Are we getting to you?

Run pMc’s (why the capped M?) post sums it up for me. The fucking niners D is kryptonite for the Pack right now.

When did I ever have good things to say about our O Line? FWIW, you weren't the main one I had in mind when I said negativists. All I said that was negative was that in those two games, the O Line blocking got so bad that even Rodgers couldn't bail them out. 9 other times, though he did, and I expect us to win out in the regular season the same way. And if Bosa brings his homies to Lambeau, I wouldn't bet against beating him then too. Going to San Fran again and winning, though, is a stretch even for me, but who knows hahahaha.

[Zool]

Look Lil’ Tex I never used the word suck. But they did suck hard vs SF. What I am seeing is the Pack isn’t a SB contender. Is that not the standard anymore? When did Title Town change to Playoff Town? Not expecting a championship ever year but this year was looking possible until recently. Even the giants game wasn’t pretty to start but the second half refilled the koolaid pitcher for many. I would like to be wrong but I’m calling it how I see it. Team is trending down but maybe a severe asskicking of the redskins will help restore my thirst for that sweet Green and Gold refreshment.

Going from 6 wins to the Super Bowl is a bit of an over expectation. If it happens be happy. If it doesn’t, enjoy the ride. It’s football not life and death. Be pissed off during the games. If you’re still pissed off 10 days after a loss, you might want to re-evaluate your priorities.

[MadtownPacker]

I’m not pissed off at the games, disgusted would be more accurate. Though 10 years ago a big loss would have had me pissed until a Tuesday or so. I have since gotten my priorities straight!


But nowadays I like the analyzing of it all. I just come off as “abrasive” to you people. But look at what I have done. Damn near got you and Tex singing Kumbaya together!!

Now tell me that ain’t beautiful... Zool > < Tex

[run pMc]

Fuck!! Is this correct or am I looking at it wrong? The shitty defense is one of the better ones for turnover ratio?

https://www.footballdb.com/stats/turnovers.html

Is so that means the offense isn’t capitalizing on these turnovers doesn’t it?


Maybe Tex is right and I am just a negativist.

I think you're slightly off: I think the offense -- and their winning record -- is helped by the turnovers. With the turnovers they are killing drives -- they've had a couple of picks in the RZ -- and when they are on the opponent's side of the 50 it means a shorter field. IIRC there's some stat out there that more or less says GB has forced a TO in every win this year, and none in their losses. I don't have a lot of confidence in their offense driving 80 yards consistently...teams seemed to have figured out A.Jones, Graham is pedestrian, and Adams can be doubled.

Pb is right -- the defense and ST are problem areas. They remain vulnerable to TE's and aren't always stout vs. the run. Teams like PHI, SF, MIN, CAR are tough matchups because they have TEs and RBs who can catch, combined with a decent running game. They need another DL to help Clark, and a fast, rangy ILB who can cover.

Having a solid KR/PR would help the ST, but I wonder if it's the blocking more than the returning.

This is a team that won 6 games last year, and has missed the playoffs for 2 years, for many reasons. They still have some big holes to fill in the roster. Getting to the playoffs is a mild surprise but getting to the SB over SF and NO would be a big surprise. I'd never say never -- teams can get hot, and Rodgers is a quality QB capable of carrying a team.