Putting The Blame Where It Belongs

[jack's smirking revenge]

Re: Loss

this is about pushing the panic button after one game.

Some valid reasons to take a look at said button:

1. First shutout at home in Favre's career.
2. Abyssmal play from most facets of the team.
3. Embarrassing loss to division leader at home.
4. Favre closer to the wrong record after one game.
5. Secondary looking extremely suspect against a mediocre WR corps and QB.

Did you see any improvement in this game over what was displayed in pre-season? I sure didn't. People talked of M3 "not showing much" in preseason because he was preparing for the Bears. I sure hope that wasn't the case, because he showed us very little yesterday, other than his ability to give us dumbfounded expressions.

I think its safe to consider the panic buttton. If not, the problems we witnessed on Sunday WON'T be corrected. (Not that we can personally do anything to change the team)

tyler

[Packers4Ever]

I agree, there seems to be nothing but confusion on the field- It looked like the Packers had never played together yesterday. I have felt that the scouting needs to be blown up because every other team seems to find guys who out hustle, out jump, just flat out care more. We seem to get the leftovers or those who "might" be something. Its just me venting but this has gone on for a few years. We seem to be lethargic every time I watch a game.


The only guy on the Packers with any heart left is Donald Driver. We need 52 other guys that play like him.

That was well said, Zach.
I'm not numb anymore today, just still can't believe
this really happened yesterday.

(sorry for the sig below, it was here before my post )

[Packers4Ever]

[quote - packnut]
The heat on the Packer board of dir. is already forming.


Just curious to know where you heard this? When?

[Green Bud Packer]

Re: Loss

this is about pushing the panic button after one game.

5. Secondary looking extremely suspect against a mediocre WR corps and QB.

grossman is a first round pick who has looked good when he plays and a healthy muhammed is closer to a game breaker than a mediocre reciever.

[PTPaQ]

I like TT's drafts.

But thats about where it ends.

[jack's smirking revenge]

Re: Loss

this is about pushing the panic button after one game.

5. Secondary looking extremely suspect against a mediocre WR corps and QB.

grossman is a first round pick who has looked good when he plays and a healthy muhammed is closer to a game breaker than a mediocre reciever.

I beg to differ. This is the first time that Grossman has even looked decent and made Bears fans confident that they have their QB. If he was so good, Griese as a starter wouldn't even be part of the chatter. He's spent more time on the bench with injuries than on the field, looking good.

Muhammad is a great receiver and he did make some great catches. But he didn't score. Bernard Berrian scored. And we allowed Muhammad to have a 100-yd game, dominating our secondary. This won't be the best WR corps that we see this year and isn't near one of the best in the NFL. Beyond Muhammad, you're telling me that their secondary isn't mediocre? Berrian? Gage? Bradley?

tyler

[Packnut]

Heat

[quote - packnut]
The heat on the Packer board of dir. is already forming.


Just curious to know where you heard this? When?

What I meant was the media is now questioing some of the moves TT has made and after reading everything I could today, the conclusion was that a great majority of Packer fans are not pleased at all with what TT has done. Add to the fact about the story on another site that Jones is'nt a fan of TT's just adds fuel to the fire.

[ZachMN]

I need to add one more player for the pack who plays with heart- Aaron Kampman. Problem is Kampman is at best an average player.

I thought Shermans gameplans were odd but when Harvey posts:I thought the offensive game planning (Jags/McCarthy) was more impressive than the defensive game planning (Sanders)--despite the shutout.

WHAT??? Lets try to run at the heart of the Bears defense!! WRONG! Look at the results. This stupid team should have run a no huddle short quick passing attack to tire out the bears. You have to be conscious of what you have and how it relates to the opposition i.e. realize what you can and can't do not pound the rock and hope it works out. Shermans biggest problem was he zigged when he should have zagged and he couldn't adjust. Yesterday makes me wonder what the hell Thompson saw in this guy. We only got running yardage because the bears were so far ahead they just sat back and waited for the picks that were sure to come.

Shit runs down hill Thompson-Mcarthy who then hired Sanders-what the hell is wrong with that defense? Guys were looking around before every bear play like they had never seen one another.

Woodson has to GO. NOW! SEND A MESSAGE

[Packnut]

MM

I need to add one more player for the pack who plays with heart- Aaron Kampman. Problem is Kampman is at best an average player.

I thought Shermans gameplans were odd but when Harvey posts:I thought the offensive game planning (Jags/McCarthy) was more impressive than the defensive game planning (Sanders)--despite the shutout.

WHAT??? Lets try to run at the heart of the Bears defense!! WRONG! Look at the results. This stupid team should have run a no huddle short quick passing attack to tire out the bears. You have to be conscious of what you have and how it relates to the opposition i.e. realize what you can and can't do not pound the rock and hope it works out. Shermans biggest problem was he zigged when he should have zagged and he couldn't adjust. Yesterday makes me wonder what the hell Thompson saw in this guy. We only got running yardage because the bears were so far ahead they just sat back and waited for the picks that were sure to come.

Shit runs down hill Thompson-Mcarthy who then hired Sanders-what the hell is wrong with that defense? Guys were looking around before every bear play like they had never seen one another.

Woodson has to GO. NOW! SEND A MESSAGE

Good post and very accurate.

[Bretsky]

Guiness,

I agree. That's the coach I most question. I'm also wondering about Bob Sanders, but we'll see. I thought the offensive game planning (Jags/McCarthy) was more impressive than the defensive game planning (Sanders)--despite the shutout.

I guess I mildly agree with you Harv; I'd give MM a D+ for the offensive game plan coming out of the gate and Dunn a D-.

The sets he came out in the first series on O told the Bears exactly what we were doing. And the sets where we were passing w/o Donald Driver even in the game doesn't cut it with me. In the first half they seemed to rotate the 3WR's too much; that has to stop.

The defense; don't even know where to start. But Popper clearly isn't ready to start if we truly want to compete now and the secondary has to be better.
I didn't think they even played average and that's the strength of our team

And I agree with Guiness in that Schottenheimers's hiring was still baffling. But then again I found Dunn to be equally baffling. Time will tell.

B

[mraynrand]

I'll never complain about running it on 3rd and 1 with a guy like Ahman Green in the backfield though.

I will, especially if you put your weakness - two rookie guards and a hobbled and sick LT against the other team's strenght - their DTs and DEs - three times in a row! 3rd and 1 with green twice, then the 4th and one ith Favre. Your best players are Favre and Driver and perhaps green. At least on one of those short yardage plays, they should have run the flanker option. Recall that this play was a staple of the WCO and the Packers with Sharpe and Brooks running it to prefection.

The offensive strategy of taking the ball out of Favre's control was mind boggling. 5-5 in the first half, 2-2 for 42 yards on his first two possesions, and McCarthy continues to plow straight up the gut - Green was about 9-32 in his first carries before the game was decided.

And about the defense - it wasn't the problem. They gave up ONE TD and four FGs, but two of those were pretty much gimmies, given the blown 4th and one and the Herron fumble. That's 13-16 points on the defense. It's absurd to lay the blame on the defense.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I guess I mildly agree with you Harv; I'd give MM a D+ for the offensive game plan coming out of the gate and Dunn a D-.

Dunn? Do you mean Sanders?

[Bretsky]

I guess I mildly agree with you Harv; I'd give MM a D+ for the offensive game plan coming out of the gate and Dunn a D-.

Dunn? Do you mean Sanders?

yes, my bad

[bbbffl66]

Re: TT

I respect your opinion and admire you optimism.

Packnut you don't know what the f@ck you're talk.....Huh? What? You don't want to drag this out and argue and debate? Nice response. Not what I was expecting at all.



I'm as broken as you are about yesterday, but part of me has already given in for 2006. If we get trounced by the best team in our division and our arch-rivals in embarrassing fashion, we can't really expect the ultimate prize in 2006, can we?

tyler

Forget the "ultimate prize", I just want to win a couple of games. Oakland is not on our schedule, and no one else looks as bad as we do.

[jack's smirking revenge]

Re: TT

I respect your opinion and admire you optimism.

Packnut you don't know what the f@ck you're talk.....Huh? What? You don't want to drag this out and argue and debate? Nice response. Not what I was expecting at all.



I'm as broken as you are about yesterday, but part of me has already given in for 2006. If we get trounced by the best team in our division and our arch-rivals in embarrassing fashion, we can't really expect the ultimate prize in 2006, can we?

tyler

Forget the "ultimate prize", I just want to win a couple of games. Oakland is not on our schedule, and no one else looks as bad as we do.

I agree. Winning some games is a good place to start. I'd like to see that. The comment was really directed at those who think that there's going to be some magical, Patriots-like turnaround in store. I don't see it. Not with all of the new pieces to the puzzle.

tyler